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Ron Gardenhire>Paul Molitor
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Ron Gardenhire>Paul Molitor
Ron Gardenhire is twice the manager that Paul Molitor is. Look what Ron is doing with a AAA squad this year.
Paul Molitor is the epitome of a lame duck manager. He's not really good at anything and is just there. It was time to move on from Ron but Molitor isn't even in the same realm as Gardenhire.
You can blame Gardy all you want but this team was a complete dumpster fire for year's before he took over and continues to be after he's gone. You can blame him for playoff chokes but almost all those years, they were beat by teams with more talent.
This ownership group did nothing to get them over the top. Signings like Phil Nevin to get you over the top?!?s
How about when they wouldn't budge on trading one of the 3 turdketeers of Slowey or Moon Shot Scott for Cliff Lee? These guy's were touted as the next Avery, Glavine and Smoltz. Lulz!
#GoGetEmTiger
Paul Molitor is the epitome of a lame duck manager. He's not really good at anything and is just there. It was time to move on from Ron but Molitor isn't even in the same realm as Gardenhire.
You can blame Gardy all you want but this team was a complete dumpster fire for year's before he took over and continues to be after he's gone. You can blame him for playoff chokes but almost all those years, they were beat by teams with more talent.
This ownership group did nothing to get them over the top. Signings like Phil Nevin to get you over the top?!?s
How about when they wouldn't budge on trading one of the 3 turdketeers of Slowey or Moon Shot Scott for Cliff Lee? These guy's were touted as the next Avery, Glavine and Smoltz. Lulz!
#GoGetEmTiger
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Re: Ron Gardenhire>Paul Molitor
i'll take molitor over gardenhire every day of the week and twice on sundays. give me the HOFer over the guy who didn't have his team ready to play against the A's when they could have made a run to a WS title.
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Re: Ron Gardenhire>Paul Molitor
twins stole a game last night. give the manager some credit for that win.
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Molly>Gardy
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Re: Ron Gardenhire>Paul Molitor
Ummmmm... Just no.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:06 pm Ron Gardenhire is twice the manager that Paul Molitor is. Look what Ron is doing with a AAA squad this year.
Paul Molitor is the epitome of a lame duck manager. He's not really good at anything and is just there. It was time to move on from Ron but Molitor isn't even in the same realm as Gardenhire.
You can blame Gardy all you want but this team was a complete dumpster fire for year's before he took over and continues to be after he's gone. You can blame him for playoff chokes but almost all those years, they were beat by teams with more talent.
This ownership group did nothing to get them over the top. Signings like Phil Nevin to get you over the top?!?s
How about when they wouldn't budge on trading one of the 3 turdketeers of Slowey or Moon Shot Scott for Cliff Lee? These guy's were touted as the next Avery, Glavine and Smoltz. Lulz!
#GoGetEmTiger
I don’t like either of them, but Gardy had his shot several times and shit he bed with Championship caliber teams.
Furthermore, I’m not sure how you can make an argument about Gardy winning with shit talent, when you’ve been complaining about the quality of players the Twins have had all season. Can’t have it both ways.
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Re: Ron Gardenhire>Paul Molitor
Gardy's teams shit themselves in every postseason that they were ever in except one.
He had the MVP, The batting champ and The Cy Young winner and got swept by a mediocre Oakland team.
Then he hung on for years too long with the same buddies that he always had on his coaching staff, just shifting them around to different jobs that they usually sucked at.
You can rip Molitor all you want, but Gardy was a guy that would have been run out of every market but this one and he will not finish his 3 year contract in Detroit. It's a retirement job.
He had the MVP, The batting champ and The Cy Young winner and got swept by a mediocre Oakland team.
Then he hung on for years too long with the same buddies that he always had on his coaching staff, just shifting them around to different jobs that they usually sucked at.
You can rip Molitor all you want, but Gardy was a guy that would have been run out of every market but this one and he will not finish his 3 year contract in Detroit. It's a retirement job.
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Re: Ron Gardenhire>Paul Molitor
The A's series was bad but it was the only series out of many. Molitor won't even get this team in position to shit in a series.Sidewinder2k2 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:13 pm Gardy's teams shit themselves in every postseason that they were ever in except one.
He had the MVP, The batting champ and The Cy Young winner and got swept by a mediocre Oakland team.
Then he hung on for years too long with the same buddies that he always had on his coaching staff, just shifting them around to different jobs that they usually sucked at.
You can rip Molitor all you want, but Gardy was a guy that would have been run out of every market but this one and he will not finish his 3 year contract in Detroit. It's a retirement job.
I agree that they both are not great but Molitor has shown me absolutely nothing so far.
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The boys were looking for any reason to fire him last year even trading his closer and selling off a starter they got after a week. Their best solution to helping him out was a 44 year old Bartolo Colon, and against all odds, that actually worked.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:18 pmThe A's series was bad but it was the only series out of many. Molitor won't even get this team in position to shit in a series.Sidewinder2k2 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:13 pm Gardy's teams shit themselves in every postseason that they were ever in except one.
He had the MVP, The batting champ and The Cy Young winner and got swept by a mediocre Oakland team.
Then he hung on for years too long with the same buddies that he always had on his coaching staff, just shifting them around to different jobs that they usually sucked at.
You can rip Molitor all you want, but Gardy was a guy that would have been run out of every market but this one and he will not finish his 3 year contract in Detroit. It's a retirement job.
I agree that they both are not great but Molitor has shown me absolutely nothing so far.
All that and Molly still made the Wild Card game without Sano despite being kicked around by a much superior Cleveland team for a good portion of the season.
Gardy was never on the hot seat. He finally was let go when his last contract went up and he was at his own "firing" press conference. That's never happened in any sport ever. I still wouldn't be stunned to see Pohlad and St. Peter find him a job in the organization again at some point.
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Re: Ron Gardenhire>Paul Molitor
Both are duds but as much as I've grown to dislike Skin cancer face I dislike Gardy even more.
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Re: Ron Gardenhire>Paul Molitor
Molly is a scout or a bench coach, not a manager. If I had to choose, I choose Gardy. Neither would be my first choice.
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Re: Ron Gardenhire>Paul Molitor
Molitor doesn't have half the talent that the 2006 team did.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:18 pmThe A's series was bad but it was the only series out of many. Molitor won't even get this team in position to shit in a series.Sidewinder2k2 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:13 pm Gardy's teams shit themselves in every postseason that they were ever in except one.
He had the MVP, The batting champ and The Cy Young winner and got swept by a mediocre Oakland team.
Then he hung on for years too long with the same buddies that he always had on his coaching staff, just shifting them around to different jobs that they usually sucked at.
You can rip Molitor all you want, but Gardy was a guy that would have been run out of every market but this one and he will not finish his 3 year contract in Detroit. It's a retirement job.
I agree that they both are not great but Molitor has shown me absolutely nothing so far.
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Even the 02'-04' and the pathetic showing by the 05' team had this team. Not to mention the loaded roster in 10' that fell off the map after that.Tuck ya in wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:44 pmMolitor doesn't have half the talent that the 2006 team did.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:18 pmThe A's series was bad but it was the only series out of many. Molitor won't even get this team in position to shit in a series.Sidewinder2k2 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:13 pm Gardy's teams shit themselves in every postseason that they were ever in except one.
He had the MVP, The batting champ and The Cy Young winner and got swept by a mediocre Oakland team.
Then he hung on for years too long with the same buddies that he always had on his coaching staff, just shifting them around to different jobs that they usually sucked at.
You can rip Molitor all you want, but Gardy was a guy that would have been run out of every market but this one and he will not finish his 3 year contract in Detroit. It's a retirement job.
I agree that they both are not great but Molitor has shown me absolutely nothing so far.
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Re: Ron Gardenhire>Paul Molitor
That 2010 team was fools gold. 2009 163 was also. Carl Pavano as your ace. Lulz. I never bought into that garbage.Sidewinder2k2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:14 pmEven the 02'-04' and the pathetic showing by the 05' team had this team. Not to mention the loaded roster in 10' that fell off the map after that.Tuck ya in wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:44 pmMolitor doesn't have half the talent that the 2006 team did.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:18 pm
The A's series was bad but it was the only series out of many. Molitor won't even get this team in position to shit in a series.
I agree that they both are not great but Molitor has shown me absolutely nothing so far.
The teams with Santana/Hunter/AJ/Koskie etc were legit.
The 03 year? Was the squandered shot. Making the ALCS and playing a inferior Angels team to get swept was the one that hurt. I never truly thought they would win it since but I did that year.
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Fair enough, but to fall that far, that fast isn't just on Bill Smith. 94 wins to 99 losses.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:20 pmThat 2010 team was fools gold. 2009 163 was also. Carl Pavano as your ace. Lulz. I never bought into that garbage.Sidewinder2k2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:14 pmEven the 02'-04' and the pathetic showing by the 05' team had this team. Not to mention the loaded roster in 10' that fell off the map after that.Tuck ya in wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:44 pm
Molitor doesn't have half the talent that the 2006 team did.
The teams with Santana/Hunter/AJ/Koskie etc were legit.
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I agree. I never had a problem with Smith. In fact I enjoyed him.Sidewinder2k2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:24 pmFair enough, but to fall that far, that fast isn't just on Bill Smith. 94 wins to 99 losses.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:20 pmThat 2010 team was fools gold. 2009 163 was also. Carl Pavano as your ace. Lulz. I never bought into that garbage.Sidewinder2k2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:14 pm
Even the 02'-04' and the pathetic showing by the 05' team had this team. Not to mention the loaded roster in 10' that fell off the map after that.
The teams with Santana/Hunter/AJ/Koskie etc were legit.
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I was way too hard on him in retrospect. He was thrust into a situation where he had to let Hunter and Santana go. He just overvalued what he thought the Yankees and Red Sox would do to get Santana. The Garza-Delmon trade was fine, but it would have been much better had he flipped Delmon for something after 2010.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:29 pmI agree. I never had a problem with Smith. In fact I enjoyed him.Sidewinder2k2 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:24 pmFair enough, but to fall that far, that fast isn't just on Bill Smith. 94 wins to 99 losses.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:20 pm
That 2010 team was fools gold. 2009 163 was also. Carl Pavano as your ace. Lulz. I never bought into that garbage.
The teams with Santana/Hunter/AJ/Koskie etc were legit.
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This ^^^^Tuck ya in wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:44 pmMolitor doesn't have half the talent that the 2006 team did.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:18 pmThe A's series was bad but it was the only series out of many. Molitor won't even get this team in position to shit in a series.Sidewinder2k2 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:13 pm Gardy's teams shit themselves in every postseason that they were ever in except one.
He had the MVP, The batting champ and The Cy Young winner and got swept by a mediocre Oakland team.
Then he hung on for years too long with the same buddies that he always had on his coaching staff, just shifting them around to different jobs that they usually sucked at.
You can rip Molitor all you want, but Gardy was a guy that would have been run out of every market but this one and he will not finish his 3 year contract in Detroit. It's a retirement job.
I agree that they both are not great but Molitor has shown me absolutely nothing so far.
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He kinda sorta does but they can't hit with RISP. They need to fix this ASAP. it's been a trend since Gardy's last year.
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Re: Ron Gardenhire>Paul Molitor
Disagree. Sano is wildly unachieving, Buxton has been mismanaged, Kepler has stopped hitting against righties. The current bench is clearly better and this year's pitching staff is deeper and strong at the top.Jimtown guy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:31 pmThis ^^^^Tuck ya in wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:44 pmMolitor doesn't have half the talent that the 2006 team did.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:18 pm
The A's series was bad but it was the only series out of many. Molitor won't even get this team in position to shit in a series.
I agree that they both are not great but Molitor has shown me absolutely nothing so far.
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Re: Ron Gardenhire>Paul Molitor
i don't think gardenhire ever had a team overachieve like molitor's squad did last year.
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weimy froob wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:34 am i don't think gardenhire ever had a team overachieve like molitor's squad did last year.
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Gardy had some damn good teams. However they underachieved when it came to the playoffs.weimy froob wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:34 am i don't think gardenhire ever had a team overachieve like molitor's squad did last year.
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Morneau, Mauer, Hunter and even Cuddy were all superior players to those 3. Far superior in the case of the first 3 actually.Nancy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:57 amDisagree. Sano is wildly unachieving, Buxton has been mismanaged, Kepler has stopped hitting against righties. The current bench is clearly better and this year's pitching staff is deeper and strong at the top.Jimtown guy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:31 pmThis ^^^^Tuck ya in wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:44 pm
Molitor doesn't have half the talent that the 2006 team did.
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Sidewinder2k2 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:21 pmMorneau, Mauer, Hunter and even Cuddy were all superior players to those 3. Far superior in the case of the first 3 actually.
Absolutely. Also, do the current players have any responsibility in their struggles or is it all coaching? Is Molitor required to fly to the Domican Republic and make sure Sano's on the treadmill in December?
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ExactlySidewinder2k2 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:21 pmMorneau, Mauer, Hunter and even Cuddy were all superior players to those 3. Far superior in the case of the first 3 actually.
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Re: Ron Gardenhire>Paul Molitor
gardy's team spits the bit this weekend when the twins could have used the help.
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Anyone going to take in account the job Hardy is doing with a team that "Supposedly" has much less talnet than the Twins?
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The Detroit Tigers announced on Wednesday that the team has fired pitching coach Chris Bosio.
The team released the following statement:
“Effective immediately, the Detroit Tigers have terminated the contract of pitching coach Chris Bosio for his insensitive comments that violated Club policy and his Uniform Employee Contract. The organization holds all of our personnel to the highest standards of personal conduct both on and off the field. We have zero tolerance for this type of behavior. The Club will have no further comment on this matter.”
Tigers general manager Al Avila said Bosio’s comments were made toward a team employee.
The team will use bullpen coach Rick Anderson as the pitching coach for the rest of the season.
The hiring of Bosio was seen as a big boost to the Tigers’ rebuilding efforts, considering his guidance helped the Chicago Cubs win the World Series in 2016. Bosio was fired by Cubs manager Joe Maddon at the end of the 2017 season.
It’ll be interesting to see how this affects the club, considering that manager Ron Gardenhire deferred to Bosio’s judgment on many decisions regarding the pitching staff.
The team released the following statement:
“Effective immediately, the Detroit Tigers have terminated the contract of pitching coach Chris Bosio for his insensitive comments that violated Club policy and his Uniform Employee Contract. The organization holds all of our personnel to the highest standards of personal conduct both on and off the field. We have zero tolerance for this type of behavior. The Club will have no further comment on this matter.”
Tigers general manager Al Avila said Bosio’s comments were made toward a team employee.
The team will use bullpen coach Rick Anderson as the pitching coach for the rest of the season.
The hiring of Bosio was seen as a big boost to the Tigers’ rebuilding efforts, considering his guidance helped the Chicago Cubs win the World Series in 2016. Bosio was fired by Cubs manager Joe Maddon at the end of the 2017 season.
It’ll be interesting to see how this affects the club, considering that manager Ron Gardenhire deferred to Bosio’s judgment on many decisions regarding the pitching staff.
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So Gardy has Anderson now as pitching coach?weimy froob wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:50 pm The Detroit Tigers announced on Wednesday that the team has fired pitching coach Chris Bosio.
The team released the following statement:
“Effective immediately, the Detroit Tigers have terminated the contract of pitching coach Chris Bosio for his insensitive comments that violated Club policy and his Uniform Employee Contract. The organization holds all of our personnel to the highest standards of personal conduct both on and off the field. We have zero tolerance for this type of behavior. The Club will have no further comment on this matter.”
Tigers general manager Al Avila said Bosio’s comments were made toward a team employee.
The team will use bullpen coach Rick Anderson as the pitching coach for the rest of the season.
The hiring of Bosio was seen as a big boost to the Tigers’ rebuilding efforts, considering his guidance helped the Chicago Cubs win the World Series in 2016. Bosio was fired by Cubs manager Joe Maddon at the end of the 2017 season.
It’ll be interesting to see how this affects the club, considering that manager Ron Gardenhire deferred to Bosio’s judgment on many decisions regarding the pitching staff.
I suppose Bruno will be hitting coach shortly.
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yep. rick's back in the saddle.jakazz30 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:16 pmSo Gardy has Anderson now as pitching coach?weimy froob wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:50 pm The Detroit Tigers announced on Wednesday that the team has fired pitching coach Chris Bosio.
The team released the following statement:
“Effective immediately, the Detroit Tigers have terminated the contract of pitching coach Chris Bosio for his insensitive comments that violated Club policy and his Uniform Employee Contract. The organization holds all of our personnel to the highest standards of personal conduct both on and off the field. We have zero tolerance for this type of behavior. The Club will have no further comment on this matter.”
Tigers general manager Al Avila said Bosio’s comments were made toward a team employee.
The team will use bullpen coach Rick Anderson as the pitching coach for the rest of the season.
The hiring of Bosio was seen as a big boost to the Tigers’ rebuilding efforts, considering his guidance helped the Chicago Cubs win the World Series in 2016. Bosio was fired by Cubs manager Joe Maddon at the end of the 2017 season.
It’ll be interesting to see how this affects the club, considering that manager Ron Gardenhire deferred to Bosio’s judgment on many decisions regarding the pitching staff.
I suppose Bruno will be hitting coach shortly.