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Kimbrel signs with Cubs...Cheap Pohlad’s!

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HeHateMe wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:38 pm Twins weren't even second to landing Kimbrel. lol
Must have been Boston. They know him as well as any team and are in dire need of bullpen help, right?
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feekdogg wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:07 pm
HeHateMe wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:38 pm Twins weren't even second to landing Kimbrel. lol
Must have been Boston. They know him as well as any team and are in dire need of bullpen help, right?
It was the Rays.
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The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:40 pm
feekdogg wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:07 pm
HeHateMe wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:38 pm Twins weren't even second to landing Kimbrel. lol
Must have been Boston. They know him as well as any team and are in dire need of bullpen help, right?
It was the Rays.
Really? Huh. I wonder why Boston didn't go after him really hard.
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feekdogg wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:48 pm
The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:40 pm
feekdogg wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:07 pm

Must have been Boston. They know him as well as any team and are in dire need of bullpen help, right?
It was the Rays.
Really? Huh. I wonder why Boston didn't go after him really hard.
They know him the best and his postseason caused a lot of anxiety in Boston. I'm glad the Twins didn't sign him and I'm looking forward to what they do now. As a Cubs fan, I'm nervous this will be another bad FA signing by Theo.
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The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:55 pm
HeHateMe wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:38 pm Twins weren't even second to landing Kimbrel. lol
The Rays and Cubs were the only 2 teams to give him 3 years.
Which is essentially 2.5
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The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:21 pm
feekdogg wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:48 pm
The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:40 pm

It was the Rays.
Really? Huh. I wonder why Boston didn't go after him really hard.
They know him the best and his postseason caused a lot of anxiety in Boston. I'm glad the Twins didn't sign him and I'm looking forward to what they do now. As a Cubs fan, I'm nervous this will be another bad FA signing by Theo.
Yeah, I was being sarcastic. The last thing I'd do if I was running a franchise would be to spend a bunch of money on a guy who plays .05% of innings through a season.
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Twins offered 2 years but wouldn't go to 3.
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The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:21 pm
feekdogg wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:48 pm
The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:40 pm

It was the Rays.
Really? Huh. I wonder why Boston didn't go after him really hard.
They know him the best and his postseason caused a lot of anxiety in Boston. I'm glad the Twins didn't sign him and I'm looking forward to what they do now. As a Cubs fan, I'm nervous this will be another bad FA signing by Theo.
He has a track record for this and big deals. Edwin Jackson, Jason Heyward, and Yu Darvish all stick out.
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Herky wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:36 pm
The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:21 pm
feekdogg wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:48 pm

Really? Huh. I wonder why Boston didn't go after him really hard.
They know him the best and his postseason caused a lot of anxiety in Boston. I'm glad the Twins didn't sign him and I'm looking forward to what they do now. As a Cubs fan, I'm nervous this will be another bad FA signing by Theo.
He has a track record for this and big deals. Edwin Jackson, Jason Heyward, and Yu Darvish all stick out.
You forgot Brandon Morrow and Tyler Chatwood. Jon Lester is his best signing along with Zobrist.
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The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:58 am
salamander wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:48 am
Ask Not wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:44 am

I know I'm opening myself up here butt ...
They could get a Ryan Pressly-type and another strong 8th inning guy for 2nd tier prospects at a combined 10 mil with one still under contract next year. I'd still rather have that than 3/$45M for Kimbrel. There's not a guy on this team that isn't in line for a raise right now, that extra 5-8M is going to matter.
I think most people would rather have that. It's just that no one trusts that we'll go after that. We were interested in Kimbrel and limped into negotiations with a weak offer. That's all a Pohlad owned team will ever do.
You're just making up stories now. They assigned a value to Kimbrel and stuck with it. No one here knows if Kimbrel would have signed with the Twins with a larger offer. If Kimbrel was truly looked at as great, he never would have lasted until June.
It was a very beatable offer and the Twins wanted him by their own admission.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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feekdogg wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:48 pm
The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:40 pm
feekdogg wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:07 pm

Must have been Boston. They know him as well as any team and are in dire need of bullpen help, right?
It was the Rays.
Really? Huh. I wonder why Boston didn't go after him really hard.
They offered him $18 mill for this year.
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bubu dubu. wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:53 pm
feekdogg wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:48 pm
The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:40 pm

It was the Rays.
Really? Huh. I wonder why Boston didn't go after him really hard.
They offered him $18 mill for this year.
They did that knowing he'd reject it to try and get the compensatory pick.
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bubu dubu. wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:53 pm
feekdogg wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:48 pm
The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:40 pm

It was the Rays.
Really? Huh. I wonder why Boston didn't go after him really hard.
They offered him $18 mill for this year.
They made him an offer they knew he would refuse. :roll:
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The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:59 pm
bubu dubu. wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:53 pm
feekdogg wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:48 pm

Really? Huh. I wonder why Boston didn't go after him really hard.
They offered him $18 mill for this year.
They made him an offer they knew he would refuse. :roll:
seems strangely familiar
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The more I think about this the more pissed off I am. Same shit as 2010 and Cliff Lee except we didn't need to give up anything except money. They drag their feet and say they tried.


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whiskerbiscuit wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:48 pm The more I think about this the more pissed off I am. Same shit as 2010 and Cliff Lee except we didn't need to give up anything except money. They drag their feet and say they tried.


Sidenote: I wish the band was back together to argue about this:

Me, Ewen, Metaxa, Sr. Smoke

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Shack, TBGH, Max Power.


Good times for awhile at least.
Don't forget that bitch Clark, although I'm sure you only included guys with an IQ above Gump.

I miss moderating those battles. I had to balance my extreme love for the team vs. my extreme hate about how they operated.
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Sidewinder2k2 wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:29 pm
whiskerbiscuit wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:48 pm The more I think about this the more pissed off I am. Same shit as 2010 and Cliff Lee except we didn't need to give up anything except money. They drag their feet and say they tried.


Sidenote: I wish the band was back together to argue about this:

Me, Ewen, Metaxa, Sr. Smoke

VS

Shack, TBGH, Max Power.


Good times for awhile at least.
Don't forget that bitch Clark, although I'm sure you only included guys with an IQ above Gump.

I miss moderating those battles. I had to balance my extreme love for the team vs. my extreme hate about how they operated.
Yea fuck Clark.


It was great banter for awhile. Then it became nothing but Ewen's incessant bitching and Shack'd incessant bitching about the incessant bitching.
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Bon Scott wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:18 pm We want an owner not a cheapskate boner.

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The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:56 am Potential trade options (no particular order):

1. Shane Greene, RHP, Detroit Tigers
2. Ken Giles, RHP, Toronto Blue Jays
3. Blake Treinen, RHP, Oakland Athletics
4. Will Smith, LHP, San Francisco Giants
5. Sean Doolittle, LHP, Washington Nationals
6. Alex Colome, RHP, Chicago White Sox
7. Raisel Iglesias, RHP, Cincinnati Reds

More options will open up before July 31st, but you can see the Twins will have a lot of work to do before the deadline.
I'd take any of those guys. Greene would be great, but I don't see Detroilet trading within the division. Giles would also be amazing. I'm just concerned with the fact that most of the contenders have need at RP. It could be a bidding war.
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whiskerbiscuit wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:48 pm The more I think about this the more pissed off I am. Same shit as 2010 and Cliff Lee except we didn't need to give up anything except money. They drag their feet and say they tried.


Sidenote: I wish the band was back together to argue about this:

Me, Ewen, Metaxa, Sr. Smoke

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Shack, TBGH, Max Power.


Good times for awhile at least.
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The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:59 pm
They made him an offer they knew he would refuse. :roll:
they have been doing it for years, why are you shocked?
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Slim Shady wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:29 am
The Replacements wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:59 pm
They made him an offer they knew he would refuse. :roll:
they have been doing it for years, why are you shocked?
I was referring to the Red Sox offer. They need bullpen help more than the Twins and they passed on Kimbrel. Also, they would not lose a draft pick if they signed him. Time will tell, but I'm glad the Twins dodged this bullet.
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this situation is where the FO really needs to earn it's money. you're a couple of vital pieces away from making a legitimate push to a WS. they have to give rocco those pieces. the pohlad's have already signed off on improving the team-now it's up to the FO to make the right moves.
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weimy froob wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:48 am the pohlad's have already signed off on improving the team-
It's possible that's only for public consumption. More likely there is a set ceiling on how much they can spend / prospects they can trade and it would be no surprise that the assets are not a blank check type and capped severely. That would make Pohlad sense anyways.
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minnemike wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:49 pm
weimy froob wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:48 am the pohlad's have already signed off on improving the team-
It's possible that's only for public consumption. More likely there is a set ceiling on how much they can spend / prospects they can trade and it would be no surprise that the assets are not a blank check type and capped severely. That would make Pohlad sense anyways.
We have two "Hot shot" young guy's in charge looking to stamp their name into the MLB landscape. They are going to be really frustrated when they find out the ownership couldn't care about winning.
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minnemike wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:49 pm
weimy froob wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:48 am the pohlad's have already signed off on improving the team-
It's possible that's only for public consumption. More likely there is a set ceiling on how much they can spend / prospects they can trade and it would be no surprise that the assets are not a blank check type and capped severely. That would make Pohlad sense anyways.
My bet would be the FO is given an annual budget. The FO has to determine current costs along with future costs before making any long term deals. What does that 3rd year of Kimbrel cost in terms of other players or options. If you can sign Buxton to a long term contract by passing on Kimbrel, then it's a good move IMO. You potentially lose Gibson and Odorizzi next year without any clear cut replacements. How does that factor in? We have to realize the Twins ownership will only allow their payroll to be league average. Bitch all you want but that's where we are.
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The Replacements wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:34 pm We have to realize the Twins ownership will only allow their payroll to be league average. Bitch all you want but that's where we are.
That in a nutshell is the problem. It's a loser's mentality. I dont mind going waaaay below league average in down rebuilding years, but for fucks sake, strike while the iron is hot and its NEVER been hotter than it is right now. Fuck future issues when you have a chance (there are no future issues with single season money). Fuck a set salary cap , when you have a real fucking legit chance for the first time in over a decade.
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minnemike wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:12 pm
The Replacements wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:34 pm We have to realize the Twins ownership will only allow their payroll to be league average. Bitch all you want but that's where we are.
That in a nutshell is the problem. It's a loser's mentality. I dont mind going waaaay below league average in down rebuilding years, but for fucks sake, strike while the iron is hot and its NEVER been hotter than it is right now. Fuck future issues when you have a chance (there are no future issues with single season money). Fuck a set salary cap , when you have a real fucking legit chance for the first time in over a decade.
I believe the Pohlad's made their money in banking. My wife works in operations for an investment bank and the stories she tells me about how some bankers, who make really good money, will fight over every last cent.
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