Twins trade deadline Chat

[minnemike]

I hate to be the negative nancy but don't we hear this (some big name) every single year? They are always "in" on players. Walters and Doogie are putting out exactly what the Twins told them to put out. But they never beat out the other team's deal.

I would LOVE to be wrong here but I don't think I am. It seems like Twins fans just need any reason to believe that THIS year will be different and they will believe that things will change.

I would love to eat crow on this one (and it's a good source of protein) but I've been fooled several times before.

It's a setup so we can be pissed when it doesn't happen. Plus, built in excuse for the devastation to come in saying I told ya so.

[Small Hands]

I hate to be the negative nancy but don't we hear this (some big name) every single year? They are always "in" on players. Walters and Doogie are putting out exactly what the Twins told them to put out. But they never beat out the other team's deal.

I would LOVE to be wrong here but I don't think I am. It seems like Twins fans just need any reason to believe that THIS year will be different and they will believe that things will change.

I would love to eat crow on this one (and it's a good source of protein) but I've been fooled several times before.

They haven't been buyers at the deadline for a very very long time, and even when they were, they never threw big names out there. The recent big names were FA's.

So you agree that Bum is another one of those "we were in on him but....." or do think this year will be different?

I'll believe it when I see it. They've never shown me that they are willing to take a big risk to win a pennant. Now would be the time to do it.

[full force five]

GET HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are going to try really really hard and he will end up with Boston or NY.

[salamander]

They're really cereal this time guys. Like super cereal. They cereally want all the biggest names and are gunna try to get em.

Spoiler:

Fast forward: aw shucks they didn't accept our lowball offers. Oh well we tried.

Prove me wrong Jim.

[D_B_U]

Not sure how connected some of the local guys are, but this seems to be more of information coming from national guys which makes me think SF is leaking this.

Local guys dont seem as sure this is happening. SF might be trying to create a whirlwind to try and get others interested.

[jakazz30]

I'd just like to point out Bumgarner over the last 2 1/2 seasons is 13-22....with a ton of injury issues.
Plus he's a FA after this season..

How much do you really want to give up for him?

Forget the "name"....look at what he really is in 2019.

[DC4MVP]

They're really cereal this time guys. Like super cereal. They cereally want all the biggest names and are gunna try to get em.

Spoiler:

Fast forward: aw shucks they didn't accept our lowball offers. Oh well we tried.

Prove me wrong Jim.

lol I love that strategy from the Twins. It's such a fucking Twins thing.

"Yes, we're going to go hard after ______"

Twins offer 2 years, 24 million

Player signs for 6 years, $89 million

"We tried really hard!"

[Small Hands]

I'd just like to point out Bumgarner over the last 2 1/2 seasons is 13-22....with a ton of injury issues.
Plus he's a FA after this season..

How much do you really want to give up for him?

Forget the "name"....look at what he really is in 2019.

Record means nothing when you're on a losing team. The Giants suck. Plus, he is healthy for the first time since 2016. He's a reliable lefty. He has postseason pedigree.

[DC4MVP]

I'd just like to point out Bumgarner over the last 2 1/2 seasons is 13-22....with a ton of injury issues.
Plus he's a FA after this season..

How much do you really want to give up for him?

Forget the "name"....look at what he really is in 2019.

Record means nothing when you're on a losing team. The Giants suck. Plus, he is healthy for the first time since 2016. He's a reliable lefty. He has postseason pedigree.

He may be 3-6 but he has a pretty decent 3.87 ERA and 1.172 WHIP and he's pitched on World Series teams so he knows how to win in the post-season (something few, if any, of our pitchers know how to do.)

I'd be more than happy bringing him in and replacing Pineda or Perez.

[jakazz30]

I'd just like to point out Bumgarner over the last 2 1/2 seasons is 13-22....with a ton of injury issues.
Plus he's a FA after this season..

How much do you really want to give up for him?

Forget the "name"....look at what he really is in 2019.

Record means nothing when you're on a losing team. The Giants suck. Plus, he is healthy for the first time since 2016. He's a reliable lefty. He has postseason pedigree.

He may be 3-6 but he has a pretty decent 3.87 ERA and 1.172 WHIP and he's pitched on World Series teams so he knows how to win in the post-season (something few, if any, of our pitchers know how to do.)

I'd be more than happy bringing him in and replacing Pineda or Perez.

How many posters here bitch about Kyle Gibson?
He is better than Bumgarner in every category.

And my question was, how much do you give up for a rental?

[DC4MVP]

Record means nothing when you're on a losing team. The Giants suck. Plus, he is healthy for the first time since 2016. He's a reliable lefty. He has postseason pedigree.

He may be 3-6 but he has a pretty decent 3.87 ERA and 1.172 WHIP and he's pitched on World Series teams so he knows how to win in the post-season (something few, if any, of our pitchers know how to do.)

I'd be more than happy bringing him in and replacing Pineda or Perez.

How many posters here bitch about Kyle Gibson?
He is better than Bumgarner in every category.

And my question was, how much do you give up for a rental?

So what if Gibson is better?

Bum wouldn't be replacing Gibson...he'd be replacing Perez or Pineda who he DOES have better stats than. I'd 300% rather have Bumgarner over either of those two and one can go into the pen.

And I give up some middle level prospects. I'm not giving up top flight prospects. Only way I do that is for a Syndergaard (if he's even on the market).

We have the offense to win a world series. Probably the best in this team's history yet the pitching is the thing that will cost us in the long run. I have zero faith in running up Pineda or Perez on an October night in Yankee Stadium. I want Bumgarner who's been on the biggest stage heading up to face Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, and Encarnacion over Michael Pineda or Martin Perez.

I'm sick of being the team that doesn't make a splash when there's a legit chance to win a title. We can give up a couple middle level prospects and still have a solid minor league system. Can we stop with the old "Don't mortgage the future!" Terry Ryan bullshit now?

Why not take a shot at winning it all this year? We just need a couple more arms. This team won't be together next year in this form so might as well take a swing for the fences.

[jakazz30]

He may be 3-6 but he has a pretty decent 3.87 ERA and 1.172 WHIP and he's pitched on World Series teams so he knows how to win in the post-season (something few, if any, of our pitchers know how to do.)

I'd be more than happy bringing him in and replacing Pineda or Perez.

How many posters here bitch about Kyle Gibson?
He is better than Bumgarner in every category.

And my question was, how much do you give up for a rental?

So what if Gibson is better?

Bum wouldn't be replacing Gibson...he'd be replacing Perez or Pineda who he DOES have better stats than. I'd 300% rather have Bumgarner over either of those two and one can go into the pen.

And I give up some middle level prospects. I'm not giving up top flight prospects. Only way I do that is for a Syndergaard (if he's even on the market).

We have the offense to win a world series. Probably the best in this team's history yet the pitching is the thing that will cost us in the long run. I have zero faith in running up Pineda or Perez on an October night in Yankee Stadium. I want Bumgarner who's been on the biggest stage heading up to face Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, and Encarnacion over Michael Pineda or Martin Perez.

I'm sick of being the team that doesn't make a splash when there's a legit chance to win a title. We can give up a couple middle level prospects and still have a solid minor league system. Can we stop with the old "Don't mortgage the future!" Terry Ryan bullshit now?

Why not take a shot at winning it all this year? We just need a couple more arms. This team won't be together next year in this form so might as well take a swing for the fences.

Fine.......but what are you giving up for a #4 starter....that's a rental?

Mid-level prospects? Fine....but if someone else throws out a top prospect, I pass..

(How often would a #4 starter even pitch in the postseason? Think about that)

[DC4MVP]

How many posters here bitch about Kyle Gibson?
He is better than Bumgarner in every category.

And my question was, how much do you give up for a rental?

So what if Gibson is better?

Bum wouldn't be replacing Gibson...he'd be replacing Perez or Pineda who he DOES have better stats than. I'd 300% rather have Bumgarner over either of those two and one can go into the pen.

And I give up some middle level prospects. I'm not giving up top flight prospects. Only way I do that is for a Syndergaard (if he's even on the market).

We have the offense to win a world series. Probably the best in this team's history yet the pitching is the thing that will cost us in the long run. I have zero faith in running up Pineda or Perez on an October night in Yankee Stadium. I want Bumgarner who's been on the biggest stage heading up to face Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, and Encarnacion over Michael Pineda or Martin Perez.

I'm sick of being the team that doesn't make a splash when there's a legit chance to win a title. We can give up a couple middle level prospects and still have a solid minor league system. Can we stop with the old "Don't mortgage the future!" Terry Ryan bullshit now?

Why not take a shot at winning it all this year? We just need a couple more arms. This team won't be together next year in this form so might as well take a swing for the fences.

Fine.......but what are you giving up for a #4 starter....that's a rental?

Mid-level prospects? Fine....but if someone else throws out a top prospect, I pass..

(How often would a #4 starter even pitch in the postseason? Think about that)

I edited the post to mention who I'd give up when I saw I forgot it. I'd be fine giving up Gordon, Gonsalves, some middle prospects.

And I think 100% Bumgarner would be the #2 or #3 starter in the playoffs. Talent and playoff experience wise, he's probably the 2nd best pitcher on the staff.

Stop looking to stats to decide your starters. One clunker (or even meh start) from Gibson next week can put him above Bum's ERA so that's a stupid way to decide your starters.

Like I said, I want Bumgarner over Gibson, Pineda, or Perez in October when it counts.

[jakazz30]

So what if Gibson is better?

Bum wouldn't be replacing Gibson...he'd be replacing Perez or Pineda who he DOES have better stats than. I'd 300% rather have Bumgarner over either of those two and one can go into the pen.

And I give up some middle level prospects. I'm not giving up top flight prospects. Only way I do that is for a Syndergaard (if he's even on the market).

We have the offense to win a world series. Probably the best in this team's history yet the pitching is the thing that will cost us in the long run. I have zero faith in running up Pineda or Perez on an October night in Yankee Stadium. I want Bumgarner who's been on the biggest stage heading up to face Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, and Encarnacion over Michael Pineda or Martin Perez.

I'm sick of being the team that doesn't make a splash when there's a legit chance to win a title. We can give up a couple middle level prospects and still have a solid minor league system. Can we stop with the old "Don't mortgage the future!" Terry Ryan bullshit now?

Why not take a shot at winning it all this year? We just need a couple more arms. This team won't be together next year in this form so might as well take a swing for the fences.

Fine.......but what are you giving up for a #4 starter....that's a rental?

Mid-level prospects? Fine....but if someone else throws out a top prospect, I pass..

(How often would a #4 starter even pitch in the postseason? Think about that)

I edited the post to mention who I'd give up when I saw I forgot it. I'd be fine giving up Gordon, Gonsalves, some middle prospects.

And I think 100% Bumgarner would be the #2 or #3 starter in the playoffs. Talent and playoff experience wise, he's probably the 2nd best pitcher on the staff.

Stop looking to stats to decide your starters. One clunker (or even meh start) from Gibson next week can put him above Bum's ERA so that's a stupid way to decide your starters.

Like I said, I want Bumgarner over Gibson, Pineda, or Perez in October when it counts.

I respect your opinion....we just disagree..
I see a guy that hasn't done squat for 2 1/2 seasons.

His biggest skill right now as a pitcher won't even come into play on the Twins...(he's a pretty good batter)

Looking at stats? Another crap start from Bumgarner could make the gap even more...
Gibson started rough this year because of the e-coli issue....he's fine now..

[weimy froob]

i think the FO sees this as an all in year and will act accordingly. i'm going to be very interested to see how this all plays out.

following

[DC4MVP]

Fine.......but what are you giving up for a #4 starter....that's a rental?

Mid-level prospects? Fine....but if someone else throws out a top prospect, I pass..

(How often would a #4 starter even pitch in the postseason? Think about that)

I edited the post to mention who I'd give up when I saw I forgot it. I'd be fine giving up Gordon, Gonsalves, some middle prospects.

And I think 100% Bumgarner would be the #2 or #3 starter in the playoffs. Talent and playoff experience wise, he's probably the 2nd best pitcher on the staff.

Stop looking to stats to decide your starters. One clunker (or even meh start) from Gibson next week can put him above Bum's ERA so that's a stupid way to decide your starters.

Like I said, I want Bumgarner over Gibson, Pineda, or Perez in October when it counts.

I respect your opinion....we just disagree..
I see a guy that hasn't done squat for 2 1/2 seasons.

His biggest skill right now as a pitcher won't even come into play on the Twins...(he's a pretty good batter)

Looking at stats? Another crap start from Bumgarner could make the gap even more...
Gibson started rough this year because of the e-coli issue....he's fine now..

Sure and I get all those points 100% but if we're giving up a Gonsalves and Gordon....players who probably won't have big roles on the team going forward, I think it's worth getting the playoff experience and the extra arm.

Can never have enough arms. If we lose one of Gibby, Berrios, or Odor for a bit.....we're going to be in trouble if we have to rely on Pineda/Perez and Smeltzer or someone from AAA.

I don't see a downside about going to get another established starter if we're not giving up anything worthwhile. Gonsalves will probably never be anything beside a #5 starter and with Polonco being all-star level and Lewis coming up next year....Gordon is probably a utility guy.

I'm fine with losing a #5 starter and a utility guy.

[bubu dubu.]

i think the FO sees this as an all in year and will act accordingly.

[jakazz30]

I edited the post to mention who I'd give up when I saw I forgot it. I'd be fine giving up Gordon, Gonsalves, some middle prospects.

And I think 100% Bumgarner would be the #2 or #3 starter in the playoffs. Talent and playoff experience wise, he's probably the 2nd best pitcher on the staff.

Stop looking to stats to decide your starters. One clunker (or even meh start) from Gibson next week can put him above Bum's ERA so that's a stupid way to decide your starters.

Like I said, I want Bumgarner over Gibson, Pineda, or Perez in October when it counts.

I respect your opinion....we just disagree..
I see a guy that hasn't done squat for 2 1/2 seasons.

His biggest skill right now as a pitcher won't even come into play on the Twins...(he's a pretty good batter)

Looking at stats? Another crap start from Bumgarner could make the gap even more...
Gibson started rough this year because of the e-coli issue....he's fine now..

Sure and I get all those points 100% but if we're giving up a Gonsalves and Gordon....players who probably won't have big roles on the team going forward, I think it's worth getting the playoff experience and the extra arm.

Can never have enough arms. If we lose one of Gibby, Berrios, or Odor for a bit.....we're going to be in trouble if we have to rely on Pineda/Perez and Smeltzer or someone from AAA.

I don't see a downside about going to get another established starter if we're not giving up anything worthwhile. Gonsalves will probably never be anything beside a #5 starter and with Polonco being all-star level and Lewis coming up next year....Gordon is probably a utility guy.

I'm fine with losing a #5 starter and a utility guy.

I'm not disagreeing....
I'm pointing out the idea of going "all in" on getting him..

If some other team offers (hypothetical) a number 3 prospect and a solid utility player..(imagine Adrianza)

I'd say I'm out of this...

[Small Hands]

Record means nothing when you're on a losing team. The Giants suck. Plus, he is healthy for the first time since 2016. He's a reliable lefty. He has postseason pedigree.

He may be 3-6 but he has a pretty decent 3.87 ERA and 1.172 WHIP and he's pitched on World Series teams so he knows how to win in the post-season (something few, if any, of our pitchers know how to do.)

I'd be more than happy bringing him in and replacing Pineda or Perez.

How many posters here bitch about Kyle Gibson?
He is better than Bumgarner in every category.

And my question was, how much do you give up for a rental?

Every single GM in the MLB would take Bumgarner over Kyle Gibson. Do you disagree? You're completely disregarding the fact that he's been hurt for 2 years and is finally healthy. His velocity is rising. He's a reliable lefty that this team doesn't have. I'd give up a top 5-10 prospect and another top 20 prospect to get him. Javier, Gonsalves, and Jax should get it done. Both Javier and Jax are rule 5 eligible next year too.

[full force five]

Give them Perez, Smelter, and mid-level guy.

[Southpaw23]

Need a starter and a closer.

[feekdogg]

Give them Perez, Smelter, and mid-level guy.

0% chance they take Perez. They want guys who can help in 3-5 years.

[salamander]

They're really cereal this time guys. Like super cereal. They cereally want all the biggest names and are gunna try to get em.

Spoiler:

Fast forward: aw shucks they didn't accept our lowball offers. Oh well we tried.

Prove me wrong Jim.

lol I love that strategy from the Twins. It's such a fucking Twins thing.

"Yes, we're going to go hard after ______"

Twins offer 2 years, 24 million

Player signs for 6 years, $89 million

"We tried really hard!"

It is a Twins thing.

[Slap Shot]

They haven't been buyers at the deadline for a very very long time, and even when they were, they never threw big names out there. The recent big names were FA's.

So you agree that Bum is another one of those "we were in on him but....." or do think this year will be different?

I'll believe it when I see it. They've never shown me that they are willing to take a big risk to win a pennant. Now would be the time to do it.

You keep repeating this narrative yet the Twins have never been a buyer at the deadline with this set of executives, coaches, etc. This doesn't mean they'll make a move to satisfy you, but it's like saying in 2004 the Red Sox will never win another World Series.

[Small Hands]

So you agree that Bum is another one of those "we were in on him but....." or do think this year will be different?

I'll believe it when I see it. They've never shown me that they are willing to take a big risk to win a pennant. Now would be the time to do it.

You keep repeating this narrative yet the Twins have never been a buyer at the deadline with this set of executives, coaches, etc. This doesn't mean they'll make a move to satisfy you, but it's like saying in 2004 the Red Sox will never win another World Series.

They had a chance to be buyers two seasons ago, and decided to be sellers instead. Remember that? The players were actually pissed about it. We even made the WC that year. They Traded Kintzler for a low A guy, international slot money, and Garcia for Enns and Little. I will continue to bring this narrative until they bring in some serious talent. You don't have to agree with me. I'm sick of the Twins being content with just making the playoffs. Teams like NYY, BOS, LAD, etc... are trying to win championships. They always make trades at the deadline to ensure they have a chance. That's why they're in the conversation every year.

[Slap Shot]

I'll believe it when I see it. They've never shown me that they are willing to take a big risk to win a pennant. Now would be the time to do it.

You keep repeating this narrative yet the Twins have never been a buyer at the deadline with this set of executives, coaches, etc. This doesn't mean they'll make a move to satisfy you, but it's like saying in 2004 the Red Sox will never win another World Series.

They had a chance to be buyers two seasons ago, and decided to be sellers instead.

They finished 17 GB Cleveland that year and were in no position to make any moves that were going to get them through the playoffs. Also Levine had barely been around yet and hadn't fully established it as his team. Whether or not they make any giant moves it's premature to insist they'll do nothing to improve. But since you know they won't you can stop watching now and you'll have nothing to worry about.

[Small Hands]

You keep repeating this narrative yet the Twins have never been a buyer at the deadline with this set of executives, coaches, etc. This doesn't mean they'll make a move to satisfy you, but it's like saying in 2004 the Red Sox will never win another World Series.

They had a chance to be buyers two seasons ago, and decided to be sellers instead.

They finished 17 GB Cleveland that year and were in no position to make any moves that were going to get them through the playoffs. Also Levine had barely been around yet and hadn't fully established it as his team. Whether or not they make any giant moves it's premature to insist they'll do nothing to improve. But since you know they won't you can stop watching now and you'll have nothing to worry about.

Were they in the playoffs? WTF does it matter how many games back they were from the Indians? Are you content with just making the playoffs? Fucking loser mentality.

Also, saying I'll believe it when I see it, doesn't insinuate I know they won't make a big move. It means I'll believe it when I see it.

[Slap Shot]

They had a chance to be buyers two seasons ago, and decided to be sellers instead.

They finished 17 GB Cleveland that year and were in no position to make any moves that were going to get them through the playoffs. Also Levine had barely been around yet and hadn't fully established it as his team. Whether or not they make any giant moves it's premature to insist they'll do nothing to improve. But since you know they won't you can stop watching now and you'll have nothing to worry about.

Were they in the playoffs? WTF does it matter how many games back they were from the Indians?

To demonstrate they were a pretender. There was no help they could afford that year to make a difference. No I would not be happy just to see them make the playoffs this season given what we've seen so far this year and I expect them to make moves that matter. You can keep insisting they won't. Have fun.

[Small Hands]

They finished 17 GB Cleveland that year and were in no position to make any moves that were going to get them through the playoffs. Also Levine had barely been around yet and hadn't fully established it as his team. Whether or not they make any giant moves it's premature to insist they'll do nothing to improve. But since you know they won't you can stop watching now and you'll have nothing to worry about.

Were they in the playoffs? WTF does it matter how many games back they were from the Indians?

To demonstrate they were a pretender. There was no help they could afford that year to make a difference. No I would not be happy just to see them make the playoffs this season given what we've seen so far this year and I expect them to make moves that matter. You can keep insisting they won't. Have fun.

Ugh. Enjoy your day

[DC4MVP]

How many posters here bitch about Kyle Gibson?
He is better than Bumgarner in every category.

And now Bumgarner is better in every category....

So there we have it....not only is Bumgarner the better pitching physically, but also statistically.

Bum > Gib