New England Patriots

[RubeTube]

I was a Mac Jones doubter. I own it. He's made me eat it.


I could argue that Mac Jones anywhere else would not be as successful, etc. But that's speculation. The reality is he's kicking ass and has been far and away the best rookie QB this year and it's he or Jamarr Chase for OROY. I'd lean Chase, but I leaned JJ over Herbert last year and it went to the QB, so it's probably Jones' award to lose.

Same.

I completely agree though. Mac Jones probably would have sucked complete balls right now if he was starting for this team.

[PackIsBack]

Admittedly, I was wrong on the Belichick/Brady debate.

So you were wrong but somehow Jaymo is still right.

Kudos to you for admitting the obvious.

[-Jaymo-]

Admittedly, I was wrong on the Belichick/Brady debate.

So you were wrong but somehow Jaymo is still right.

Kudos to you for admitting the obvious.

Below .500, 1 playoff appearance, 0 playoff wins.

^ without Brady

^ jaymo’s right

[Gork]

^

[SDVikesfan]

I was a Mac Jones doubter. I own it. He's made me eat it.


I could argue that Mac Jones anywhere else would not be as successful, etc. But that's speculation. The reality is he's kicking ass and has been far and away the best rookie QB this year and it's he or Jamarr Chase for OROY. I'd lean Chase, but I leaned JJ over Herbert last year and it went to the QB, so it's probably Jones' award to lose.

Same.

I completely agree though. Mac Jones probably would have sucked complete balls right now if he was starting for this team.

Spot on.

Mac Jones is getting more production (and wins) out of his abilities (as a rookie) than even his biggest fans could have ever imagined.

Getting this type of production out of a (rookie) QB who does not apparently possess any special physical abilities is a sign of one thing ... great coaching.

Without that great coaching, MAC Jones is likely no better than DANIEL Jones in 2021.

As for this thread, on a Minnesota Vikings chat board, minimizing Bill Belichik's coaching acumen, it truly is simply amazing -- even in an era where outlandhish, baseless statements are the norm.

[SDVikesfan]

I was a Mac Jones doubter. I own it. He's made me eat it.


I could argue that Mac Jones anywhere else would not be as successful, etc. But that's speculation. The reality is he's kicking ass and has been far and away the best rookie QB this year and it's he or Jamarr Chase for OROY. I'd lean Chase, but I leaned JJ over Herbert last year and it went to the QB, so it's probably Jones' award to lose.

Same.

I completely agree though. Mac Jones probably would have sucked complete balls right now if he was starting for this team.

Spot on.

Mac Jones is getting more production (and wins) out of his abilities (as a rookie) than even his biggest fans could have ever imagined.

Getting this type of production out of a (rookie) QB who does not apparently possess any special physical abilities is a sign of one thing ... great coaching.

Without that great coaching, MAC Jones is likely no better than DANIEL Jones in 2021.

As for this thread, on a Minnesota Vikings' chat board, minimizing Bill Belichik's coaching acumen, it is simply amazing -- even in an era where outlandhish, baseless statements are the norm.

[-Jaymo-]

Admittedly, I was wrong on the Belichick/Brady debate.

So you were wrong but somehow Jaymo is still right.

Kudos to you for admitting the obvious.

I guess Bill can always hope he plays a passing team during an Alberta clipper….or he can continually face the Jets……

Carson Wentz - 5/12, 87 yards….and they still pound the pats.

[Dan33185]

Admittedly, I was wrong on the Belichick/Brady debate.

So you were wrong but somehow Jaymo is still right.

Kudos to you for admitting the obvious.

I guess Bill can always hope he plays a passing team during an Alberta clipper….or he can continually face the Jets……

Carson Wentz - 5/12, 87 yards….and they still pound the pats.

I mean, Mac threw 4 passes in a win against the Bills, a lot of peoples pick to win the ACF this year, so it's not unprecedented. The AFC is a crap shoot right now, pretty much any team that makes the playoffs has as good of a chance to get to the Super Bowl as the next team.

[Gork]

Patriots finally lose after 7 wins in a row . Pedmo comes out of the closet and puffs his chest!

[cunningham]

Saying we never would have gotten this out of Mac Jones is telling.

1. Some say this to defend Rick “all-in” Spielman.

What a horse shit excuse. He had a blue chipper right there and traded down. Like he always does.

2. Saying we never would have gotten what the Pats have out of him is saying our coaching staff isn’t good enough.

So why the hell do so many sit by this? Rick, Mike, and others need to go.

3. Mac Jones in year one will go to the playoffs. Meanwhile, our cap crippling quarterback has made the playoffs twice in his entire career. And is 33 years old. He has one overtime playoff win.





Any excuses made are just prolonging our sub-par squad.

Mac Jones success should mean that Rick and Mike are not good enough and should be fired.

[ForCaleb]

Saying we never would have gotten this out of Mac Jones is telling.

1. Some say this to defend Rick “all-in” Spielman.

What a horse shit excuse. He had a blue chipper right there and traded down. Like he always does.

2. Saying we never would have gotten what the Pats have out of him is saying our coaching staff isn’t good enough.

So why the hell do so many sit by this? Rick, Mike, and others need to go.

3. Mac Jones in year one will go to the playoffs. Meanwhile, our cap crippling quarterback has made the playoffs twice in his entire career. And is 33 years old. He has one overtime playoff win.





Any excuses made are just prolonging our sub-par squad.

Mac Jones success should mean that Rick and Mike are not good enough and should be fired.

It's the Patriots defense (and better coaching obv) is what separates the two teams, not QB play.

[cunningham]

Saying we never would have gotten this out of Mac Jones is telling.

1. Some say this to defend Rick “all-in” Spielman.

What a horse shit excuse. He had a blue chipper right there and traded down. Like he always does.

2. Saying we never would have gotten what the Pats have out of him is saying our coaching staff isn’t good enough.

So why the hell do so many sit by this? Rick, Mike, and others need to go.

3. Mac Jones in year one will go to the playoffs. Meanwhile, our cap crippling quarterback has made the playoffs twice in his entire career. And is 33 years old. He has one overtime playoff win.





Any excuses made are just prolonging our sub-par squad.

Mac Jones success should mean that Rick and Mike are not good enough and should be fired.

It's the Patriots defense (and better coaching obv) is what separates the two teams, not QB play.

And our defensive head coach has the 30th ranked defense.

Rick and Zimmer must go!

[PackIsBack]

Admittedly, I was wrong on the Belichick/Brady debate.

So you were wrong but somehow Jaymo is still right.

Kudos to you for admitting the obvious.

I guess Bill can always hope he plays a passing team during an Alberta clipper….or he can continually face the Jets……

Carson Wentz - 5/12, 87 yards….and they still pound the pats.

I guess you can go quiet until the Pats lose again. I'm pulling for the Bills but you will probably need to shut up until late January at the earliest.

[-Jaymo-]

So you were wrong but somehow Jaymo is still right.

Kudos to you for admitting the obvious.

I guess Bill can always hope he plays a passing team during an Alberta clipper….or he can continually face the Jets……

Carson Wentz - 5/12, 87 yards….and they still pound the pats.

I guess you can go quiet until the Pats lose again. I'm pulling for the Bills but you will probably need to shut up until late January at the earliest.

Why would I need to go quiet, bit?

Belichick sans Brady

56-71, 1 playoff appearance, 0 playoff wins


^ says all that needs to be said

[Chuck North]

Why would I need to go quiet, bit?

Belichick sans Brady

56-71, 1 playoff appearance, 0 playoff wins


^ says all that needs to be said

God u r stupid.

Brady played with Bill for 18 years. To give Bill ZERO credit for all those 18 years is just an asinine assessment from a professional stat twister. You lost this arguement entirely, but keep coming back for more egg on your face.

You can't help yourself I guess.

[-Jaymo-]

You lost this arguement entirely, but keep coming back for more egg on your face.

Oh, for sure.

Because “ 56-71, 1 playoff appearance, 0 playoff wins” just screams incredible coach. Meanwhile TB12 is 25-8 and 1 for 1 in SB’s.

good job. nice effort.

[Chuck North]

Sorry about you're cherry picked stats.

Better put some air holes in that box.

[-Jaymo-]

Sorry about you're cherry picked stats.

Better put some air holes in that box.

wins/losses

^ cherry picked

sorry for your loss, chuck

[Chuck North]

Poor Jaymo, he's become the clown of Purple Chat as well now.

[-Jaymo-]

Poor Jaymo, he's become the clown of Purple Chat as well now.

I’m sorry you can’t refute my stats.

nice job. good effort. nice job.

[Gork]

Speaking of stats the LAST TIME Bill Belichick was shut out was Dec 10 2006! Tom Brady Dec 19 2021!

BRADY DID IT WITHOUT BELICHICK!!!

[-Jaymo-]

Speaking of stats the LAST TIME Bill Belichick was shut out was Dec 10 2006! Tom Brady Dec 19 2021!

BRADY DID IT WITHOUT BELICHICK!!!

Belichick sans Brady

56-71, 1 playoff appearance, 0 playoff wins


^ Oh look! Tampa’s game had no result on the above stat. Back in the box you go, dipshit.

[Gork]

Back to your lousy takes puss boy!

[Dan33185]

People think it's some "gotcha" moment to say a coach isn't as good without the greatest QB of all time on the field. Like Bill Walsh would have won 3 Super Bowls without Montana, right? Anyone with common sense would tell you having a HOF QB is better than not having one, it doesn't mean all of a sudden the guy can't coach though. Belichick went 7-9 with Cam freaking Newton as a QB last year, and 11-5 with Matt Cassel. The guy clearly knows how to coach, anyone who can't see that is just hating for the sake of it, and not basing anything on common sense.

[-Jaymo-]

Back to your lousy takes puss boy!

I’m sorry that you can’t seem to get out of your box, gramps. Speak up! The cardboard is really stifling your tiny voice.

[Gork]

Back to your lousy takes puss boy!

I’m sorry that you can’t seem to get out of your box, gramps. Speak up! The cardboard is really stifling your tiny voice.

Read the post above yours numbnuts

[Gork]

People think it's some "gotcha" moment to say a coach isn't as good without the greatest QB of all time on the field. Like Bill Walsh would have won 3 Super Bowls without Montana, right? Anyone with common sense would tell you having a HOF QB is better than not having one, it doesn't mean all of a sudden the guy can't coach though. Belichick went 7-9 with Cam freaking Newton as a QB last year, and 11-5 with Matt Cassel. The guy clearly knows how to coach, anyone who can't see that is just hating for the sake of it, and not basing anything on common sense.

And I even hate Belichick!

[-Jaymo-]

Back to your lousy takes puss boy!

I’m sorry that you can’t seem to get out of your box, gramps. Speak up! The cardboard is really stifling your tiny voice.

Read the post above yours numbnuts

Yeah, that has nothing to do with you, nor does it refute belichick’s record without Brady.

Try again, stooge.

[Gork]

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The stupid is strong with this one!

[Beef Supreme]

People think it's some "gotcha" moment to say a coach isn't as good without the greatest QB of all time on the field. Like Bill Walsh would have won 3 Super Bowls without Montana, right? Anyone with common sense would tell you having a HOF QB is better than not having one, it doesn't mean all of a sudden the guy can't coach though. Belichick went 7-9 with Cam freaking Newton as a QB last year, and 11-5 with Matt Cassel. The guy clearly knows how to coach, anyone who can't see that is just hating for the sake of it, and not basing anything on common sense.

What would Tom Brady be if he was drafted by Miami in 2000 and coached by Dave Wannstedt? What if he were drafted by Detroit and coached by Bobby Ross and Mike Mornhinweg?


Or would we know think of them like we think of Bellichick because of Brady?



Remember how much of a "game manager" Brady was early on? Did you know that he threw one touchdown pass in the entire 2001 Super-Bowl winning post-season run?

His numbers: 3 games: 60-97 (61.9%), 572 yards (191ypg, 5.9ypa), 1 TD, 1 INT. Passer rating: 77.3.

I know it was a different era, but those numbers were paltry then. This was post greatest show on turf. Explosive offenses existed.


Patriots defense that run? 3 games, 47 points allowed (15.7ppg) including 17 against that greatest show on turf Rams team in the Super Bowl. 321 yards/game against, 7 takeaways (including 3 in the Super Bowl). The Pats were a +6 in the give/take that post-season. That's probably the biggest reason they won.


Later, Brady would become the most prolific passer of all-time, but he absolutely did not look that part early in his career. Belichick has his hands all over that first title run and oversaw Brady's development from late-round game manager to GOAT.