Why haven't Ricks great drafts equalled success?

[RubeTube]

You would think we would be a dynasty for Rick constantly "Winning" on draft day.

Yet we haven't even had back to back playoff seasons in his tenure.

Denny and Co. Went 8 out of 9 years. Childress was even able to go back to back.

Zimmer and Rick haven't even figured out how to have successful back to back seasons.

I mean think about it.. A decade without back to back playoff appearances. Never going to win a SB that way.

[PurpleFloyd]

We got a new stadium. What else matters?

[Phrooster]

You would think we would be a dynasty for Rick constantly "Winning" on draft day.

Yet we haven't even had back to back playoff seasons in his tenure.

Denny and Co. Went 8 out of 9 years. Childress was even able to go back to back.

Zimmer and Rick haven't even figured out how to have successful back to back seasons.

I mean think about it.. A decade without back to back playoff appearances. Never going to win a SB that way.

totally agree

[BuDG123]

The CBs take too long to develop although high draft capital is used to gain the assets. When they leave in 4 -5 years
You have nothing to show for that high draft capital. That is why RBs and other short cycle assets should only be bought with high draft capital when there is a all pro HoF caliber asset available. Think Adrian Peterson, Harrison Smith, etc. when you pick up Treadwell, Hughs, Wayne’s instead - your overall talent pool evaporates and you have pinnacle players (Smith/Peterson etc) holding up the fort, so to speak, to make up the difference on the high draft capital / low production years. Some of our late round jackpots have helped with the tent poles, but we missed on our high probability pan out picks - our high draft collateral ROI has been crap.

2017 may have been our peak there and Keemun still had to play at a top 5 QB level to get us that far. Our problem is we become predictable by the NFC Championship Game at best, as we are very stubborn and opposed to fluid agility in applying new approaches.

[Night Train]

It's a combination of things that make a season. As much as we're all supposed to just swoon over Zimmer and his tough as nails approach. His stubborness can sometimes be a detriment like Bud mentions above. I think Zimmer should shoulder some of the blame which is why these two should be tied at the hip, if one has to go they both should go.

[RM22]

I Vehemently believe Zimmer doesn't like Rick and never has. There was a comment made during the draft where Zimmer said "C'mon Rick" Rick said what or huh. And Zimmer said "You've been doing this for 3 days and can't figure it out" Rick didn't look very happy. There are more examples. But people are going to believe what they want to believe.

As far as drafting. Did it really make sense to trade back last year in the 3rd round 4 times?!! And draft a back up Running Back? Rick's way was to draft Bradbury and move Eflien to Guard. He said this will fix 2 positions. So his way was to ignore any help in the 3rd round last year, for a back up RB. 1 example of many in which Rick does it strictly his way.

[Da Gas Man]

Because every draft, we hear people say things like “obviously not every late pick will hit but if a few do, then we are in great shape”. Of course, they forget that a “few hit” almost never. Maybe two in five years even contribute.

[Thrillkill]

You would think we would be a dynasty for Rick constantly "Winning" on draft day.

Yet we haven't even had back to back playoff seasons in his tenure.

Denny and Co. Went 8 out of 9 years. Childress was even able to go back to back.

Zimmer and Rick haven't even figured out how to have successful back to back seasons.

I mean think about it.. A decade without back to back playoff appearances. Never going to win a SB that way.

How do you even respond to someone that thinks winning a playoff game in 2 of the last 3 years and going to a conference championship game is not success?

Please name all the other losers that have done this.

[RM22]

You would think we would be a dynasty for Rick constantly "Winning" on draft day.

Yet we haven't even had back to back playoff seasons in his tenure.

Denny and Co. Went 8 out of 9 years. Childress was even able to go back to back.

Zimmer and Rick haven't even figured out how to have successful back to back seasons.

I mean think about it.. A decade without back to back playoff appearances. Never going to win a SB that way.

How do you even respond to someone that thinks winning a playoff game in 2 of the last 3 years and going to a conference championship game is not success?

Please name all the other losers that have done this.

You do know the NFC Championship game was more of a fluke than a laid out plan.

[Thrillkill]

You would think we would be a dynasty for Rick constantly "Winning" on draft day.

Yet we haven't even had back to back playoff seasons in his tenure.

Denny and Co. Went 8 out of 9 years. Childress was even able to go back to back.

Zimmer and Rick haven't even figured out how to have successful back to back seasons.

I mean think about it.. A decade without back to back playoff appearances. Never going to win a SB that way.

How do you even respond to someone that thinks winning a playoff game in 2 of the last 3 years and going to a conference championship game is not success?

Please name all the other losers that have done this.

You do know the NFC Championship game was more of a fluke than a laid out plan.

Success is luck and failure like a missed FG by a loser or 3 fumbles in his biggest game by a child beating loser, or 12 in the huddle by an idiot coach, or superstar RB ACL, or franchise future QB's leg falling off, all bad planning.

You Speilman haters are a complete joke and utterly delusional. Also complete shit Vikes fans. You cheer to be right about Speilman not the Vikes to win. Sad and incredibly pathetic.

[Car Ramrod]

Simply put, you need elite Quarterback play or elite Defense or both. They have never had the first except Favre and have been close but not quite with the defense. Need a QB that can win you big games on his own in a consistent way or a D that can take over and smother offenses.

Very rarely does a team win a Super Bowl that is just solid all the way around.

[RM22]

You do know the NFC Championship game was more of a fluke than a laid out plan.

Success is luck and failure like a missed FG by a loser or 3 fumbles in his biggest game by a child beating loser, or 12 in the huddle by an idiot coach, or superstar RB ACL, or franchise future QB's leg falling off, all bad planning.

You Speilman haters are a complete joke and utterly delusional. Also complete shit Vikes fans. You cheer to be right about Speilman not the Vikes to win. Sad and incredibly pathetic.

Was the Bradford trade luck or skill? A guy who was going to get cut because they had Wentz. Which took the Vikings out of the Watson, Mahomes draft.

Was the Patterson trade skill or luck? Or going into that draft with 12 players and having Zero on the roster today.

Wanting the Vikings to win a championship isn't being a "shit" Viking fan. Keep defending a mediocre at best GM year after year. Same drafts for need. Keeps aging players too long.

[somuchyummy]

there have been more misses than hits - but that's probably how it is for a lot of teams. people mention a lot of spielman's failures - how're the hunter and kendricks picks looking? i think when it comes down to it - there are 32 teams and one wins. not to imply that we've ever approached "greatness" - we haven't, but having aaron rodgers in your division starting against you for a dozen years also lowers your chances for success pretty precipitously.

[RM22]

there have been more misses than hits - but that's probably how it is for a lot of teams. people mention a lot of spielman's failures - how're the hunter and kendricks picks looking? i think when it comes down to it - there are 32 teams and one wins. not to imply that we've ever approached "greatness" - we haven't, but having aaron rodgers in your division starting against you for a dozen years also lowers your chances for success pretty precipitously.

Add up just the 1st round picks. Rick has had more than most GMs. To say "Not every GM hits" it a poor excuse for an average GM.

[somuchyummy]

there have been more misses than hits - but that's probably how it is for a lot of teams. people mention a lot of spielman's failures - how're the hunter and kendricks picks looking? i think when it comes down to it - there are 32 teams and one wins. not to imply that we've ever approached "greatness" - we haven't, but having aaron rodgers in your division starting against you for a dozen years also lowers your chances for success pretty precipitously.

Add up just the 1st round picks. Rick has had more than most GMs. To say "Not every GM hits" it a poor excuse for an average GM.

you're right. my point though is that sometimes a special player kills you. and we've faced that for more than a decade now with rodgers. not sure that even if spielman had hit on a few more first rounders it would still be enough to overcome the rodgers factor.

[RM22]

there have been more misses than hits - but that's probably how it is for a lot of teams. people mention a lot of spielman's failures - how're the hunter and kendricks picks looking? i think when it comes down to it - there are 32 teams and one wins. not to imply that we've ever approached "greatness" - we haven't, but having aaron rodgers in your division starting against you for a dozen years also lowers your chances for success pretty precipitously.

Add up just the 1st round picks. Rick has had more than most GMs. To say "Not every GM hits" it a poor excuse for an average GM.

you're right. my point though is that sometimes a special player kills you. and we've faced that for more than a decade now with rodgers. not sure that even if spielman had hit on a few more first rounders it would still be enough to overcome the rodgers factor.

Packers have their own problems. I don't particularly think the Rodgers factor is why the Vikings cannot take the next step. It's the Rick Spielman factor. He does things strictly his way. Which hasn't produced anything.

[RubeTube]

Add up just the 1st round picks. Rick has had more than most GMs. To say "Not every GM hits" it a poor excuse for an average GM.

you're right. my point though is that sometimes a special player kills you. and we've faced that for more than a decade now with rodgers. not sure that even if spielman had hit on a few more first rounders it would still be enough to overcome the rodgers factor.

Packers have their own problems. I don't particularly think the Rodgers factor is why the Vikings cannot take the next step. It's the Rick Spielman factor. He does things strictly his way. Which hasn't produced anything.

Well, this isn't popular here

I mean, we are 20 years deep with only 1 back to back playoff seasons with Chilly.

Yikes!

#WeAintAsGoodAsWeThink

[bombers3shooter]

The only reason Rick's drafts get rave reviews is because it seems like he always accumulates alot of picks and he has a board that is closer to how the pundits in the "draft industry" have their big boards set up. His grades 3-5 years after the draft are usually much lower. The later grade is the only grade anyone should give a shit about.

[Face The Facts]

The only reason Rick's drafts get rave reviews is because it seems like he always accumulates alot of picks and he has a board that is closer to how the pundits in the "draft industry" have their big boards set up. His grades 3-5 years after the draft are usually much lower. The later grade is the only grade anyone should give a shit about.

This pretty much sums it up.


People forget we lost Diggs, a reliable WR and in turn got a rookie WR who likely will take a couple years to become a WR at the same level.
I don't think Diggs was a top 10 WR, but odds are the new kid won't be top 50 in his rookie year.

[Bleeds Purple]

There is only one answer to this question. When your GM spends all his draft capital moving back in the draft, and acquiring as many 6th and 7th round picks as possible, you end up with a team full of 6th and 7th players as starters. Most teams use their 6th and 7th round players as cannon/training camp fodder and for special teams. Rick uses them as full time starters.

As for making the playoffs, even a blind squirrel finds a nut or every so often.

[Beef Supreme]

There is only one answer to this question. When your GM spends all his draft capital moving back in the draft, and acquiring as many 6th and 7th round picks as possible, you end up with a team full of 6th and 7th players as starters. Most teams use their 6th and 7th round players as cannon/training camp fodder and for special teams. Rick uses them as full time starters.

As for making the playoffs, even a blind squirrel finds a nut or every so often.

2019 starters

OL - 2 firsts, a second, a third, and an undrafted player.
Qb - 4th round
RB - 2nd round
WR -5th rounder, undrafted
TE - 2 second round picks

DL - 4th, 3rd, 7th, and 2nd round picks
LB - 1st, 2nd, and 4th round picks
CB - 2 first round picks
S - first round and undrafted

So total:
First round: 6
Second round: 6
Third round: 2
Fourth round: 3
Fifth round: 1
Sixth round: 0
Seventh round: 1
Undrafted: 3


So that’s one starter from the 6th and 7th rounds. Hardly “full.”



Even if you designate guys we signed as free agents as a separate category and don’t rank them where they were originally drafted, we still only have on starter drafted in the sixth or seventh round: Shemar Steven, a guy we hopefully upgraded with Lynch (4th round) this year.

[Ash Ketchum]

There is only one answer to this question. When your GM spends all his draft capital moving back in the draft, and acquiring as many 6th and 7th round picks as possible, you end up with a team full of 6th and 7th players as starters. Most teams use their 6th and 7th round players as cannon/training camp fodder and for special teams. Rick uses them as full time starters.

As for making the playoffs, even a blind squirrel finds a nut or every so often.

Lol, zero of this is true, and it would have taken just a slight amount of quick googling to tell you so.

[Beef Supreme]

There is only one answer to this question. When your GM spends all his draft capital moving back in the draft, and acquiring as many 6th and 7th round picks as possible, you end up with a team full of 6th and 7th players as starters. Most teams use their 6th and 7th round players as cannon/training camp fodder and for special teams. Rick uses them as full time starters.

As for making the playoffs, even a blind squirrel finds a nut or every so often.

Lol, zero of this is true, and it would have taken just a slight amount of quick googling to tell you so.

I didn’t even have to google it. I just know! Check out my big brain! One of the best brains. Stable genius!