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Grade the Draft - 2016 & 2017

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Face The Facts
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Grade the Draft - 2016 & 2017

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It's been 3-4 years so now is a better time to grade these drafts with some results in.

2016

#:23 Laquon Treadwell -WR Yr-2016 - F - Was pretty close to a total bust with key drops when he did play.
#:54 Mackensie Alexander -CB Yr-2016 - B- / C+. Serviceable corner for 3 years.
#:121 Willie Beavers -T Yr-2016 - D- -Hard to believe he was picked this high.
#:160 Kentrell Brothers -OLB Yr-2016 - C/D
#:180 Moritz Boehringer -WR Yr-2016 - F - Was a gimmick pick/
#:188 David Morgan -TE Yr-2016 - B+ - Serviceable role player
#:227 Stephen Weatherly -OLB Yr-2016 - B - For a late round pick he got game time.
#:244 Jayron Kearse -S Yr-2016 - C - Stayed on roster and some play time.

Overall - C


2017

#:41 Dalvin Cook -RB Yr-2017 - C - Too early. Hurt too often. Could be an A for a second rounder if he was healthy.
#:70 Pat Elflein -C Yr-2017 - C/D and falling
#:109 Jaleel Johnson -DT Yr-2017 - D - Appears to be a project so far.
#:120 Ben Gedeon -ILB Yr-2017 - C/D - Not much here.
#:170 Rodney Adams -WR Yr-2017 - F
#:180 Danny Isidora -G Yr-2017 - C - Traded for 7th round pick who was part of another trade with another pick for Kenny Willekes and another 2021 pick
#:201 Bucky Hodges -TE Yr-2017 - F
#:219 Stacy Coley -WR Yr-2017 - D
#:220 Ifeadi Odenigbo -DL Yr-2017 - Incomplete - Waived, resigned, waived, resigned, signed to long contract.
#:232 Elijah Lee -LB Yr-2017 - C/D/F - Late round pick, too hard to expect much.
#:245 Jack Tocho -CB Yr-2017 - C/D/F - Ditto

Overall - Incomplete or C-/D+
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Re: Grade the Draft - 2016 & 2017

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Face The Facts wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:28 am It's been 3-4 years so now is a better time to grade these drafts with some results in.

2016

#:23 Laquon Treadwell -WR Yr-2016 - F - Was pretty close to a total bust with key drops when he did play.
#:54 Mackensie Alexander -CB Yr-2016 - B- / C+. Serviceable corner for 3 years.
#:121 Willie Beavers -T Yr-2016 - D- -Hard to believe he was picked this high.
#:160 Kentrell Brothers -OLB Yr-2016 - C/D
#:180 Moritz Boehringer -WR Yr-2016 - F - Was a gimmick pick/
#:188 David Morgan -TE Yr-2016 - B+ - Serviceable role player
#:227 Stephen Weatherly -OLB Yr-2016 - B - For a late round pick he got game time.
#:244 Jayron Kearse -S Yr-2016 - C - Stayed on roster and some play time.

Overall - C


2017

#:41 Dalvin Cook -RB Yr-2017 - C - Too early. Hurt too often. Could be an A for a second rounder if he was healthy.
#:70 Pat Elflein -C Yr-2017 - C/D and falling
#:109 Jaleel Johnson -DT Yr-2017 - D - Appears to be a project so far.
#:120 Ben Gedeon -ILB Yr-2017 - C/D - Not much here.
#:170 Rodney Adams -WR Yr-2017 - F
#:180 Danny Isidora -G Yr-2017 - C - Traded for 7th round pick who was part of another trade with another pick for Kenny Willekes and another 2021 pick
#:201 Bucky Hodges -TE Yr-2017 - F
#:219 Stacy Coley -WR Yr-2017 - D
#:220 Ifeadi Odenigbo -DL Yr-2017 - Incomplete - Waived, resigned, waived, resigned, signed to long contract.
#:232 Elijah Lee -LB Yr-2017 - C/D/F - Late round pick, too hard to expect much.
#:245 Jack Tocho -CB Yr-2017 - C/D/F - Ditto

Overall - Incomplete or C-/D+
How does Beavers get a D, he was the first pick of that draft that didn’t make a team. If that’s not an F I don’t know what is
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Re: Grade the Draft - 2016 & 2017

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Those are two bad drafts. With that said is every pick graded equally? For instance, I would give Kearse and Odenigbo a high grade but strictly because they were low draft picks. I would give them okay grades if they were early picks.
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Yeah, not great. We hit on Hunter, Diggs, Griff late and I think those hits had a lot to do with us being competitive lately, and also why Rick likes his late round picks a little too much - he has had too many and I think you want impact players early, which, for whatever reason - this regime seems to struggle with. Inheriting studs like Harrison, Peterson, Rhodes and having Joseph come in saved them early, then drafting Kendricks in the second in 2015 along with Diggs, Hunter and Waynes gave them a nice base to work with. Other then Oniel, we pretty much failed to draft or develop other players. One great draft in 5 years isn’t enough to sustain. Our 1st round returns have been too anemic lately, and although we have had tons of late picks - we have hit on few, and because the ones we did hit on were so good - we, like the gambler who hit the jackpot on the first pull 10 years ago and now just can’t stop trying to replicate that success ~ Realized recent Success or not be damned.
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Re: Grade the Draft - 2016 & 2017

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Cook a C?

LOL
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Re: Grade the Draft - 2016 & 2017

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flexbuffchest wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:05 pm Cook a C?

LOL
What's your grade for him?

I'm open to other opinions on this. I just gave a quick assessment.
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But after both those drafts, I do remember hearing "if a handful of those late picks hit, we are in great shape." I really heard it after the tons of late picks in 2017. But it doesn't seem to have happened.

Funny, that I also heard it after the 2018 and 2019 draft and get this, after the 2020 draft.
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BuDG123 wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:03 am Yeah, not great. We hit on Hunter, Diggs, Griff late and I think those hits had a lot to do with us being competitive lately, and also why Rick likes his late round picks a little too much - he has had too many and I think you want impact players early, which, for whatever reason - this regime seems to struggle with. Inheriting studs like Harrison, Peterson, Rhodes and having Joseph come in saved them early, then drafting Kendricks in the second in 2015 along with Diggs, Hunter and Waynes gave them a nice base to work with. Other then Oniel, we pretty much failed to draft or develop other players. One great draft in 5 years isn’t enough to sustain. Our 1st round returns have been too anemic lately, and although we have had tons of late picks - we have hit on few, and because the ones we did hit on were so good - we, like the gambler who hit the jackpot on the first pull 10 years ago and now just can’t stop trying to replicate that success ~ Realized recent Success or not be damned.
Hunter was a third (88th) not a late round pick. Griffen was a long time ago. Diggs was a legitimate HR for a late round pick. Otherwise, I agree with almost all that you said.
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This shows the reality of drafting. It’s tough as hell to project how good college players will be at the next level.
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Face The Facts wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:41 pm
flexbuffchest wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:05 pm Cook a C?

LOL
What's your grade for him?

I'm open to other opinions on this. I just gave a quick assessment.
The contract he is going to sign will be a grade A salary.
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flexbuffchest wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:05 pm Cook a C?

LOL
Rated him the same as Elfein and Isadora. :lol:
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Face The Facts wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:28 am It's been 3-4 years so now is a better time to grade these drafts with some results in.

2016

#:23 Laquon Treadwell -WR Yr-2016 - F - Was pretty close to a total bust with key drops when he did play.
#:54 Mackensie Alexander -CB Yr-2016 - B- / C+. Serviceable corner for 3 years.
#:121 Willie Beavers -T Yr-2016 - D- -Hard to believe he was picked this high.
#:160 Kentrell Brothers -OLB Yr-2016 - C/D
#:180 Moritz Boehringer -WR Yr-2016 - F - Was a gimmick pick/
#:188 David Morgan -TE Yr-2016 - B+ - Serviceable role player
#:227 Stephen Weatherly -OLB Yr-2016 - B - For a late round pick he got game time.
#:244 Jayron Kearse -S Yr-2016 - C - Stayed on roster and some play time.

Overall - C


2017

#:41 Dalvin Cook -RB Yr-2017 - C - Too early. Hurt too often. Could be an A for a second rounder if he was healthy.
#:70 Pat Elflein -C Yr-2017 - C/D and falling
#:109 Jaleel Johnson -DT Yr-2017 - D - Appears to be a project so far.
#:120 Ben Gedeon -ILB Yr-2017 - C/D - Not much here.
#:170 Rodney Adams -WR Yr-2017 - F
#:180 Danny Isidora -G Yr-2017 - C - Traded for 7th round pick who was part of another trade with another pick for Kenny Willekes and another 2021 pick
#:201 Bucky Hodges -TE Yr-2017 - F
#:219 Stacy Coley -WR Yr-2017 - D
#:220 Ifeadi Odenigbo -DL Yr-2017 - Incomplete - Waived, resigned, waived, resigned, signed to long contract.
#:232 Elijah Lee -LB Yr-2017 - C/D/F - Late round pick, too hard to expect much.
#:245 Jack Tocho -CB Yr-2017 - C/D/F - Ditto

Overall - Incomplete or C-/D+
Your grading structure is absurd. To 7th round picks that were contributors for a full rookie contract, 4 years you give a B and a C? A 7th round pick that plays more han one year on special teams is far above average.

Add the 2016 and 2017 7th round picks together, you got 10 FN sacks from part time players, and a player that is right now our starting DE on a minimum contract.

Lastly, the 2017 draft shows why having a lot of picks is a solid approach. Late round picks are long shots. But if you hit, even if it takes some development time, it can pay big dividends. Not only that, Spielman in two drafts has roster contributors from 3 out of 6 7th round picks: Weatherly, Kearse, Odnigbo. ANother 7th round pick, Elijah Lee, is still in the NFL and has started 6 games for the Niners.

Arguing this was a negative is idiotic.
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Both drafts are horrible and an solid F. You gotta have at least 4 legit starters and one pro bowler from each draft if you want to be a great team. F and F. For sure an F both years.
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Deep Purple wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:25 pm Both drafts are horrible and an solid F. You gotta have at least 4 legit starters and one pro bowler from each draft if you want to be a great team. F and F. For sure an F both years.
Pro Bowlers, fuck that. YOu need at least two Hall of Fame first ballot players to even consider a passing grade.
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Face The Facts wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:41 pm
flexbuffchest wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:05 pm Cook a C?

LOL
What's your grade for him?

I'm open to other opinions on this. I just gave a quick assessment.
Whenever you draft an elite player it's in the "A" range.
UnFadeable21 wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:55 pm Edwards Negatives:

Low IQ
Low Motor
Bad Shot Selection
Bad defense

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We are grading overall draft. Cook is a B because of injury issues. Can't play all the games is a huge factor. Pretty much the rest of the draft are backups or arena type players. How can you miss on so many players??
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The 2017 draft should be graded with the Bradford trade.
No vision into the future by Spielman. Funny how some say he looks 2-3 years ahead. He doesn't.
Trading up for Cook was Stupid. Mixon and Cook were both on board. Running backs are the easiest position to fill.
It's an easy F.
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