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Oriole81 wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:18 pm
Philo Beddoe wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:45 am It is my understanding that when it has been attempted in the past, a Kicker/Punter destroys his leg doing both. Think about it, you can't practice both 50% of the time and be successful at the NFL level... so you have to practice both 100% of the time. Before games, you have to warm up by both kicking punts and field goals. It is a lot of kicking.

My hunch is that he is going to be the new Punter and be the guy that kicks FG's over 51 yards.
see Michael Koenen.
Atl tried it with him to start one year and missed a lot of FGs so they had to bring back Morten Andersen. He stayed on to remain a decent punter.
Good post.

I anticipate Vedvik being a kicker first, punter second, the opposite of Koenen.
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Oriole81 wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:18 pm
Philo Beddoe wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:45 am It is my understanding that when it has been attempted in the past, a Kicker/Punter destroys his leg doing both. Think about it, you can't practice both 50% of the time and be successful at the NFL level... so you have to practice both 100% of the time. Before games, you have to warm up by both kicking punts and field goals. It is a lot of kicking.

My hunch is that he is going to be the new Punter and be the guy that kicks FG's over 51 yards.
see Michael Koenen.
Atl tried it with him to start one year and missed a lot of FGs so they had to bring back Morten Andersen. He stayed on to remain a decent punter.
The Vikings should cut Bailey and Wile and then sign Matt Bryant and have him do the field goals inside of 50 yards.
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Beef Supreme wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:34 pm
Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:24 pm
witljon wrote: Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:22 pm What are the chances he does both for us, punt and kick?
This year? Zero percent.

Next year and beyond? 35%

Next year as FG kicker only? 75%
I don’t know. I worry about having one kicker. Kickers don’t get hurt a lot, but if they do, it’s nice to have the other. Also, who does the holding? A position player? Now you’re really risking a guy in the “battery” going down to injury.


It’s a great theory. Save a roster spot. Kicking is kicking, right? But there are reasons teams don’t do it.
The reason teams don't do it is because there are very few modern day kicking specialist that can. Back in the olden days it was more common and it was most common to have a position player do the place holding.

I can see why having the punter be the holder is ideal, but I don't think it is a huge problem to have a position player do it.
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He took Ponders number!

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Oscar wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:25 pm He took Ponders number!

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HeHateMe wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:16 pm
Oriole81 wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:18 pm
Philo Beddoe wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:45 am It is my understanding that when it has been attempted in the past, a Kicker/Punter destroys his leg doing both. Think about it, you can't practice both 50% of the time and be successful at the NFL level... so you have to practice both 100% of the time. Before games, you have to warm up by both kicking punts and field goals. It is a lot of kicking.

My hunch is that he is going to be the new Punter and be the guy that kicks FG's over 51 yards.
see Michael Koenen.
Atl tried it with him to start one year and missed a lot of FGs so they had to bring back Morten Andersen. He stayed on to remain a decent punter.
The Vikings should cut Bailey and Wile and then sign Matt Bryant and have him do the field goals inside of 50 yards.
Neat idea. Same roster spot usage but 2 specialized fg kickers. Great in theory.
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Wait a minute here....I thought Rick Speilman put a high value on his draft picks, round 7's in particular. You mean two years in a row we are wasting 5th round picks on a kicker? You know this Ravens kicker will get the boot eventually don't you??
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It will be interesting to watch during camp, for sure.

I would NOT roster just Vedvik as both K and P just to save the roster spot.

1. If Vedvik gets injured in-game, you’re fucked at two positions for the rest of that game with no one who is able to step in and get you out of that game.

Most NFL caliber punters have experience from sometime in their careers at kicking field goals and visa versa, and so if an injury occurred to one or the other in-game, you’d at least be able to finish the game with the other guy.

Imagine if Vedvik got taken out by a cheap shot on punt coverage or his plant leg got rolled up on during a FG attempt and then the game eventually came down to a 35 yard FG.

Matt Wile would have a reasonable chance to make that FG (he kicked FGs in college), but would the “emergency” kicker who is actually a field player be able to? Probably not, and the coaching staff would be terrified to try it. Imagine the hilarity of watching Stefon Diggs trotting out to kick a game-winning field goal in a game that might decide whether or not the Vikings make the playoffs...that 53rd roster spot is not worth it.

Conversely, what if the Vikings have the ball inside their own 20, and they’re leading 28-27 with a minute left in the 4th. If the opponent forces the Vikings to 4th down, you’re going to lose the game. Again, that 6th CB or 4th TE just isn’t worth it.

2. Like I said before, you want the punter to be the holder.

Firstly, because the punter has the time to get an endless amount reps and those reps don’t have to be during the special teams portion of practice as it would if a position player is the holder. The three specialists can go off to the side and attempt as many as they want, whenever they want. They can be in the same meeting rooms together studying film and talking about what they need to talk about together without one of them having other positional commitments during that time.

The kickers WANT this. Kickers are typically all about reps. It’s like golf, the more good reps, the higher your confidence is on Sunday.

Secondary, punters already are used to catching snaps from the snapper. This sounds dumb, but every holder/punter I’ve played with and been around thinks this is a thing. It’s just that many more times you’ve seen the snap come, and it adds to comfort level and confidence.

Could a position player be a good holder and could that work just fine? Sure, but when we’ve seen just how important confidence is in the kicking game, why not do everything you can to foster an environment to have optimal confidence?

3. Sheer work load.

As someone else smartly brought up, the sheer amount of times Vidvek’s foot has to strike the ball during the week in practice and in games would be that much higher.

Logistically, this would be a nightmare, as most kickers hit stationary balls while the punter does his work. When the kicker is working on kicking, he can’t be working on punting, and so you’re ending up with a situation where the guy has to be constantly working twice as hard.

Punting requires way fewer reps, but still.



I think the only way Vedvik could be both is if they did something along the lines of signing an aging kicker who is money from 45 and in, and have Vedvik be the long FG guy as well as the punter.

I don’t know if you WANT him to be the punter though. He’s a much better kicker than punter.
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You dopes know he was only 10/16 in college right? (62.5%)

And he's never played in a regular season game yet in the NFL?


lol, this has some classic purple written all over it.
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Ash Ketchum wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:06 pm It will be interesting to watch during camp, for sure.

I would NOT roster just Vedvik as both K and P just to save the roster spot.

1. If Vedvik gets injured in-game, you’re fucked at two positions for the rest of that game with no one who is able to step in and get you out of that game.

Most NFL caliber punters have experience from sometime in their careers at kicking field goals and visa versa, and so if an injury occurred to one or the other in-game, you’d at least be able to finish the game with the other guy.

Imagine if Vedvik got taken out by a cheap shot on punt coverage or his plant leg got rolled up on during a FG attempt and then the game eventually came down to a 35 yard FG.

Matt Wile would have a reasonable chance to make that FG (he kicked FGs in college), but would the “emergency” kicker who is actually a field player be able to? Probably not, and the coaching staff would be terrified to try it. Imagine the hilarity of watching Stefon Diggs trotting out to kick a game-winning field goal in a game that might decide whether or not the Vikings make the playoffs...that 53rd roster spot is not worth it.

Conversely, what if the Vikings have the ball inside their own 20, and they’re leading 28-27 with a minute left in the 4th. If the opponent forces the Vikings to 4th down, you’re going to lose the game. Again, that 6th CB or 4th TE just isn’t worth it.

2. Like I said before, you want the punter to be the holder.

Firstly, because the punter has the time to get an endless amount reps and those reps don’t have to be during the special teams portion of practice as it would if a position player is the holder. The three specialists can go off to the side and attempt as many as they want, whenever they want. They can be in the same meeting rooms together studying film and talking about what they need to talk about together without one of them having other positional commitments during that time.

The kickers WANT this. Kickers are typically all about reps. It’s like golf, the more good reps, the higher your confidence is on Sunday.

Secondary, punters already are used to catching snaps from the snapper. This sounds dumb, but every holder/punter I’ve played with and been around thinks this is a thing. It’s just that many more times you’ve seen the snap come, and it adds to comfort level and confidence.

Could a position player be a good holder and could that work just fine? Sure, but when we’ve seen just how important confidence is in the kicking game, why not do everything you can to foster an environment to have optimal confidence?

3. Sheer work load.

As someone else smartly brought up, the sheer amount of times Vidvek’s foot has to strike the ball during the week in practice and in games would be that much higher.

Logistically, this would be a nightmare, as most kickers hit stationary balls while the punter does his work. When the kicker is working on kicking, he can’t be working on punting, and so you’re ending up with a situation where the guy has to be constantly working twice as hard.

Punting requires way fewer reps, but still.



I think the only way Vedvik could be both is if they did something along the lines of signing an aging kicker who is money from 45 and in, and have Vedvik be the long FG guy as well as the punter.

I don’t know if you WANT him to be the punter though. He’s a much better kicker than punter.
I mean yeah, the fact that the Vikings have been putting the type of work you suggest is proof that it works. Honestly though, I don't care what is traditional, find something that works, a guy that can make a few kicks, I don't care how they go about that. If that happens to not coincide with what's been done, so be it.
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Chuck North wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:57 pm You dopes know he was only 10/16 in college right? (62.5%)

And he's never played in a regular season game yet in the NFL?


lol, this has some classic purple written all over it.
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Chuck North wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:57 pm You dopes know he was only 10/16 in college right? (62.5%)

And he's never played in a regular season game yet in the NFL?


lol, this has some classic purple written all over it.
Mason Crosby was 19/28 his senior year.

The wide hash marks in college have something to do with that.
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Here we go again....talkin bout KICKERS! I have ZERO confidence in management to figure the kicking out. Haven't we gone through enough PK's AND Punters the last few years? Seems to me that Zim is trigger happy when it comes to kickers and that turned out to burn us in the azz last year with Carlson's cut. MEH
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So, it's pretty sad to say I am excited about our new possible kicker in Vedvik but true story. I was excited last year with Carlson as well. The truth of the matter is probably what we all want is a goddam kicker that can do his job. A kicker that goes un-noticed most times and a kicker that is noticed for drilling 50+ yard fgs and for being reliable. Bailey was garbage in my estimation last year. And I am confident Bailey is gone
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Ash Ketchum wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:33 pm
Chuck North wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:57 pm You dopes know he was only 10/16 in college right? (62.5%)

And he's never played in a regular season game yet in the NFL?


lol, this has some classic purple written all over it.
Mason Crosby was 19/28 his senior year.

The wide hash marks in college have something to do with that.
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Chuck North wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:57 pm You dopes know he was only 10/16 in college right? (62.5%)

And he's never played in a regular season game yet in the NFL?


lol, this has some classic purple written all over it.
You do know the Packers and Bears tried to get him too?

Will it be 3 consecutive seasons the GOAT doesn't make the offs?

Even Ponder didn't pull that feat off.
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So you count seasons he doesn't play?

That's convenient.
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-VikingsTw- wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:52 pm
Ash Ketchum wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:33 pm
Chuck North wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:57 pm You dopes know he was only 10/16 in college right? (62.5%)

And he's never played in a regular season game yet in the NFL?


lol, this has some classic purple written all over it.
Mason Crosby was 19/28 his senior year.

The wide hash marks in college have something to do with that.
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He also kicked 88 field goals over 4 years? And I'm pretty sure we didn't give up a 5th for em.

Meanwhile Kaare has only kicked 16 field goals total in one year at college. Good luck with needing a game winner vs Seattle at -25 windchill!

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Philo Beddoe wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:45 am It is my understanding that when it has been attempted in the past, a Kicker/Punter destroys his leg doing both. Think about it, you can't practice both 50% of the time and be successful at the NFL level... so you have to practice both 100% of the time. Before games, you have to warm up by both kicking punts and field goals. It is a lot of kicking.

My hunch is that he is going to be the new Punter and be the guy that kicks FG's over 51 yards.
How much kicking do punters and kickers actually need to do in practice?
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Big Head wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:34 am
Philo Beddoe wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:45 am It is my understanding that when it has been attempted in the past, a Kicker/Punter destroys his leg doing both. Think about it, you can't practice both 50% of the time and be successful at the NFL level... so you have to practice both 100% of the time. Before games, you have to warm up by both kicking punts and field goals. It is a lot of kicking.

My hunch is that he is going to be the new Punter and be the guy that kicks FG's over 51 yards.
How much kicking do punters and kickers actually need to do in practice?
There really isn’t a perfect answer for that, but kickers usually take a ton of reps during the week. It’s not necessarily to “practice” technique, it’s more of a confidence thing.
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For those poo pooing the excitement over a kicker you are not paying attention.

Having a place kicker that can consistently hit a 50+ field goal puts a lot of pressure on the opposing defense. I hated playing the Rams indoors with a sucky punter. If you do not pin the Rams back, if they get two first downs, they are all of a sudden in field goal range. Same goes for playing any team with a good place kicker.

The Vikings play indoors if you have not noticed. If they have a place kicker that can hit a 55 yard field goal, the opposing defense better have a boomer for a punter otherwise the Vikings are going put a lot of pressure on the other team to keep up.

With the Vikings defense being a top 5 defense, putting up 3 points here and there is huge. Having a Punter and Place Kicker that are good will have a major influence on win total for the year.
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Ash Ketchum wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:13 am
Big Head wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:34 am
Philo Beddoe wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:45 am It is my understanding that when it has been attempted in the past, a Kicker/Punter destroys his leg doing both. Think about it, you can't practice both 50% of the time and be successful at the NFL level... so you have to practice both 100% of the time. Before games, you have to warm up by both kicking punts and field goals. It is a lot of kicking.

My hunch is that he is going to be the new Punter and be the guy that kicks FG's over 51 yards.
How much kicking do punters and kickers actually need to do in practice?
There really isn’t a perfect answer for that, but kickers usually take a ton of reps during the week. It’s not necessarily to “practice” technique, it’s more of a confidence thing.
If you need an extra leg in practice put a guy on the practice squad.

Now I don't think the vikings will do this to be honest but I like trying something no one else has done in a while.
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Da Gas Man wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:33 pm
Oscar wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:25 pm He took Ponders number!

Lucky 7 baby.

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twgerber wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:42 am
Ash Ketchum wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:13 am
Big Head wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:34 am

How much kicking do punters and kickers actually need to do in practice?
There really isn’t a perfect answer for that, but kickers usually take a ton of reps during the week. It’s not necessarily to “practice” technique, it’s more of a confidence thing.
If you need an extra leg in practice put a guy on the practice squad.

Now I don't think the vikings will do this to be honest but I like trying something no one else has done in a while.
The only issue with this is that a practice squad K is unlikely to be on the game day roster. We would still want to allocate 2 active roster spots to guys that can kick the ball.
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HHM's idea of adding Bryant for short kicks, and using Vedvik for kickoffs, punts, and long FGs this year is very interesting.
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B-Town wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:42 am HHM's idea of adding Bryant for short kicks, and using Vedvik for kickoffs, punts, and long FGs this year is very interesting.
Except it will never happen.

Vikings need to find a 3rd WR if they are to spend what they have left.

Crabtree would be a nice fit.

You just traded a 5th rounder for a K. He better be able to kick. There are rumors of the Vikings trying to trade Bailey.
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twgerber wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:42 am
Ash Ketchum wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:13 am
Big Head wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:34 am

How much kicking do punters and kickers actually need to do in practice?
There really isn’t a perfect answer for that, but kickers usually take a ton of reps during the week. It’s not necessarily to “practice” technique, it’s more of a confidence thing.
If you need an extra leg in practice put a guy on the practice squad.

Now I don't think the vikings will do this to be honest but I like trying something no one else has done in a while.
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Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:50 am
B-Town wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:42 am HHM's idea of adding Bryant for short kicks, and using Vedvik for kickoffs, punts, and long FGs this year is very interesting.
Except it will never happen.

Vikings need to find a 3rd WR if they are to spend what they have left.

Crabtree would be a nice fit.

You just traded a 5th rounder for a K. He better be able to kick. There are rumors of the Vikings trying to trade Bailey.
It’s not a bad idea, especially since you’re never going to go into an NFL game with JUST Vedvik as both the K and P.
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Ash Ketchum wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:52 pm
Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:50 am
B-Town wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:42 am HHM's idea of adding Bryant for short kicks, and using Vedvik for kickoffs, punts, and long FGs this year is very interesting.
Except it will never happen.

Vikings need to find a 3rd WR if they are to spend what they have left.

Crabtree would be a nice fit.

You just traded a 5th rounder for a K. He better be able to kick. There are rumors of the Vikings trying to trade Bailey.
It’s not a bad idea, especially since you’re never going to go into an NFL game with JUST Vedvik as both the K and P.
I didn't say it was a bad idea. It's just something that I see very unlikely to happen.
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Ash Ketchum wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:06 pm It will be interesting to watch during camp, for sure.

I would NOT roster just Vedvik as both K and P just to save the roster spot.

1. If Vedvik gets injured in-game, you’re fucked at two positions for the rest of that game with no one who is able to step in and get you out of that game.

Most
I am pretty sure they have a guy that can kick in a pinch. Many talented athletes on teams. I think Chad Johnson and Wes Welker kicked XP or FG in an NFL game before. They are probably not going to kick 90% but I bet there is someone that can hit 50% within 40 yards.
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