Joe Bag 'O Donuts wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 11:46 am
Beef Supreme wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 11:30 am
Joe Bag 'O Donuts wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 10:29 am
He was brought in because the team determined he was the best free agent option. You can argue with that decision, or throw in hyperbole about a haircut, but that's a reflection of the team and the market.
Well no shit!
That’s not the debate. The debate is weather the team was right or wrong to bring him in at the contract they did.
Year one returns: They were wrong. Kirk needs to play better this year to change that.
You have a habit of choosing your debate, when I made a specific comment to you. You don't get to choose what quibble I have with your comment. You can answer my assertion and debate the issue I brought up.
He was paid what the market determined he get paid, he was not paid to contribute relative to how that dollar amount ranks him amongst other QB's because the market is not static. He was the best FA QB option out there, the Vikings decided that was true, and they were right.
Finally a stance! So now we can know that you think the Vikings were right to pay him that money. Hopefully you are not in investment banking!
We were not told as fans this would be the return on our investment. Which is what makes me mad about RS. He told us this was the missing piece to the puzzle. We also were told that our new OC was big on Cousins. Did you know that Cousins was drafted the year after Ponder. We could have taken Cousins in Round 2, but there again is the philosophy of RS in that he doesn't want his franchise quarterback to get nervous about competition.
I would post the entire article, but I know Joe has reading issues so I will summarize for him:
Vikings' John DeFilippo and Kirk Cousins: a melding of the minds (STrib)
“I’ve always been a fan of Kirk’s,” DeFilippo said as he sat in his office May 25, with several neat stacks of papers and a can of Red Bull on his desk. “I don’t know the exact grade I gave him when he was coming out of college, but I know I liked him a lot. I’ll never forget that speech he gave at Michigan State. That was part of the evaluation process, just being like, ‘Wow, this guy’s really impressive.’ … Seeing the way he moves, the way he throws, I’ve always admired him from afar.”
So Flip liked how Kirk talked. Great way to choose your guy! He also helped in the selection - and there were others to consider....
DeFilippo called the Vikings’ quarterback search as thorough a process as he’s gone through. He would not name names, but said he evaluated more quarterbacks with coach Mike Zimmer, General Manager Rick Spielman and QB coach Kevin Stefanski than just Cousins and the Vikings’ three free agents.
Here is what Cousins said after Defillippo got canned:
"Myself, I'd be the first one to say, if I had played at a higher level, we're probably not talking about the things we're talking about. I take ownership, as well. Yet, big picture why? I don't know. I do point to the fact that we played at Chicago, who's a good defense. You saw what they did to the Rams. We played at Seattle and at New England, those aren't places you walk into as of late and just walk out with a win without breaking a sweat. Those are tough places to play, good teams. I'm sure there's a part of that, that you have to look at as well.
"You look at, 'What do I need to do better? How can I be better?' The nature of the quarterback position is that the ball is in your hands. So you're going to be easily able to say that so many times. That was one of the things I did communicate to Coach Flip yesterday was, I believe with the ball in my hand, had I played at my fullest potential play in and play out, we're probably not having this conversation right now. That's something I take personally and is certainly tough for me, and keeps you up at night. But at the same time, all you can do now is go forward and, you know, 'Hey, faced adversity before, been able to overcome it, been able to push through it.' As coach Shanahan always told me, 'Tough times don't last, tough people do.' I'm going to choose to be a tough person, keep going and believe if we do that, if I do that, good things are in store."
At least he admits in a way that he wasn't playing to his potential play in and play out... But why?
The article from CBS ends with this statement:
Cousins hasn't necessarily been bad this season, but he hasn't been all that much of an upgrade over Keenum -- if he's been one at all. Numbers-wise, he has been essentially the exact same guy Keenum was last year, but in an environment where quarterback play around the league has been better than it was a year ago.
Lastly Joe, and I doubt you get this far, but the article ends saying what everyone is saying:
Certainly, if he'd managed to be an upgrade on Keenum and had the Vikings ranking among the 10 best offenses in the league, DeFilippo would presumably still have his job. Some of the blame surely falls on both Cousins and DeFilippo, and some of it falls on the offensive line and the receivers and the backs as well. But a quarterback is pretty much always going to get the majority of the credit and blame for offensive performance, and Cousins seems to recognize that.