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Okay, be honest here. This is a thread to reminisce about your past draft takes. Pound your chest about how right you were. Hang your head in shame about how wrong you were. Just share. Too bad we don't have all the old, old dawn takes to bump for us old school rubes from the KFAN site. Personally, I joined in 2004 and would have 15 years of takes; good, bad, and ugly to revisit.


Anyway, here's who I wanted us to take each year. This is who I was pounding the table for when we were on the clock, not someone I was hoping would be available for us and wasn't. I started following the draft process in 2003, so that's where I'm starting. And I'm just doing 1st round.


Year ---- Who I wanted ---- Who we took ---- Brief comment

2003: Jimmy Kennedy ---- Kevin Williams --- Vikes were right, I was wrong. This was a good draft with EJ Henderson in the 2nd and Nate Burleson in the 3rd.

2004: Kenechi Udeze ----- Kenechi Udeze --- I thought he was okay. Had that bizarre no sack year and then got leukemia or whatever.

2005A: Derrick Johnson --- Troy Williamson --- I was righter than the Vikes. Johnson was a very good LB for a long time. Williamson was a total bust, but the right pick here was DeMarcus Ware.

2005B: Luis Castillo --- Erasmus James --- I wanted a Derrick Johnson/Mark Clayton draft (Clayton was kind of a bust) and that could have happened, but after taking Williamson at 18, there's no way they take another WR at 18, so I pivoted to DT. Castillo was okay. Not great, but okay. The right pick here was of course Aaron Rodgers.

2006: Chad Greenway --- Chad Greenway --- I really wanted Ernie Sims that year, but Detroit took him 9th overall. Greenway was my second choice and I was very happy with him. He ended up being a much better pro than Sims anyway.

2007: Adrian Peterson --- Adrian Peterson --- Easy call at the time. What was Arizona thinking?

2008: Traded for Jared Allen. We took safety Tyrell Johnson in the 2nd round, who was a bust. I wanted Calais Campbell badly. He had a nice career, though he wasn't the sackmaster I figured him for until the twilight of his career, oddly.

2009: Hakeem Nicks ---- Percy Harvin. Both were good players. Nicks got hurt early and didn't fulfill his promise. Harvin was great and had all sorts of issues.

2010: Patrick Robinson --- Traded out of pick --- Vikes traded out of their pick and took Chris Cook early in the 2nd. That didn't work out. Robinson was better, but not really all that great. The correct pick was Gronk!

2011: Prince Amukamara --- Christian Ponder ---- I was way right-er than the vikes, but the correct pick was probably Mike Pouncey. But come on, we needed CB help... a guy named "Prince..." Minnesota... Seemed perfect. Amukamara's had an okay career.

2012: Justin Blackmon --- Matt Kalil --- Both busted. The pick was probably Kuechly.

2013A: Xavier Rhodes --- Sharrif Floyd --- I was all about Rhodes that year and Floyd wasn't really on my radar. I was pleased when we took Rhodes two picks later.

2013B: Xavier Rhodes ---- Xavier Rhodes --- Remember, this is who I was pounding the table for at the time of the pick. I still wanted Rhodes. If I had my way and took Rhodes the previous pick, I probably would have wanted DeAndre Hopkins (yay!) or Justin Hunter (boo!) at this pick. I had them both rated very high.

2013C: Justin Hunter --- Cordarelle Patterson --- I would not have made the trade for this pick, but since the Vikes did and by this time Hopkins was off the board, I would have taken Hunter. And I would have been wrong. Zach Ertz would have been nice here...

2014A: Teddy Bridgewater --- Anthony Barr --- I was a Teddy guy, but in hindsight, #9 overall would have been way overdrafting him.

2014B: Teddy Bridgewater --- Teddy Bridgewater --- So I was very happy how this turned out. I'm less happy about it 5 years later.

2015: DeVante Parker --- Trae Waynes ---- Waynes has been much better, so point Vikes. The best pick would probably have been Andrus Peat.

2016: Laquan Treadwell ---- Laquan Treadwell --- not great, but in our defense, there hasn't been many great players taken immediately after him. Williams Jackson, Artie Burns, Paxton Lynch, Kenny Clark, etc. Not exactly lighting the world on fire.

2017: Traded for Sam Bradford. Still can't believe we did that. We ended up taking Dalvin Cook in the 2nd. I honestly don't remember if I wanted someone else there or not.

2018: Will Hernandez --- Mike Hughes --- I wasn't super into this draft for whatever reason. Maybe it was the NFCCG hangover or maybe it was picking so late. I liked Hernandez but remember not really caring that we went another direction. Hughes looked good, so if he comes back from injury okay, this might be a good pick, even though Hernandez filled a much greater need.



So there it is. Some good, some not so good.
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Warren Sapp......that was enough for one lifetime.

I have to admit I wanted Laquan Treadwell. He was an incredible receiver in college. Just became a dolt in NFL. I have to admit I wanted Johnny Football and am just amazed what a fuck up he was.

Best NFL Draft day was 1998 and waking up to ESPN reporter saying that basically NFL GMs were shying away from Randy Moss, but not Denny Green. Amazing day.

On edit: Draft day 1974 was something too. Of course it wasn't live like now. You found out about it in the Minneapolis Tribune the next day. I and the Vikings wanted Lynn Swann. But he went 21st and the Vikings picked 25th. The guy I loved though was Matt Blair out of Iowa St and we got him at 51!!!! Our first pick was the late Fred McNeil 9th overall. We had a bust in the 2nd in John HOlland. Two firsts, two seconds, two thirds. One of the biggest draft days in Vikings history.
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In real time right before the pick was announced, I called the Asher Allen pick.

Didn’t end up working out of course, but it’s pretty impressive still to nail a 3rd rd pick
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In 2011 I wanted Nick Fairley bad at #12, but we took future Insurance salesman Christian Ponder. :roll:


Check out the first round talent in the 2011 draft;
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2011

Easily the best first round ever....
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Tuck ya in wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:16 pm In 2011 I wanted Nick Fairley bad at #12, but we took future Insurance salesman Christian Ponder. :roll:


Check out the first round talent in the 2011 draft;
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2011

Easily the best first round ever....
Yeah, aside from the QBs, it was hard to miss that year. But Gabbert, Locker, and Ponder after Newton? Yuk!


Bad year to need a quarterback!
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Strange this thread was started and I was thinking about guys I have been wrong about over the years.

I won't go through specific years but there are guys I remember really wanting and they took someone else. I was big on Derrick Johnson and super mad they drafted Williamson. I wanted Terrell Suggs when they drafted Kevin Williams, both great players but Suggs played longer. Both Harvin and Peterson were favorites of mine. I wanted Desean Jackson they drafted Tyrell Johnson. They drafted Barr I wanted Aaron Donald, drafted Teddy I was ok with it but Derrick Carr was my guy. They drafted Ponder I pounded the table for Pouncey. They drafted Trae Waynes I wanted Landon Collins. Kawann Short over Floyd.

As far as misses the year they drafted Treadwell I wanted the LB from USC who is now retired because he lost his passion for football, I also wanted Josh Doctson, he's probably the biggest bust I pounded the table for in over ten years. I loved Patterson pre draft he was outstanding year one but just never developed the way I hoped for.

I honestly do not have very many complete whifs when it comes to the first round and some second round favorites. I consistently see my favorite players in the draft go on to become really productive NFL players. Josh Doctson and Justin Blackman were by far my biggest busts. Kenneth Dixon the RB for the Ravens hasn't been all that great as a pro, I was a big fan of his. I also remember thinking highly of Geno Smith coming out.
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Hard for me to remember them all.

2012

I know I wanted Trent Richardson to pair with AP. I hated Ponder so bad and knew he sucked (No player I have hated here more) WR was pointless because he couldn't get it to them. LT was pointless. Why protect the idiot was what I was saying. I also wanted Claibourne too.

2011

Obviously hated the Ponder pick. My one buddy basically asked me to leave his draft party because I'm became such a bitch about drafting Ponder.

I wanted Taylor Mays.

2010

I really didn't care. I mean I watched it like the rest but I was waiting for the redemption tour. I thought we were so ready, no one we drafted would really contribute that year anyway. Then we sucked and so did the draft picks. I did love and hype Chris Cook until he was gone lol.

2013.

Wanted Rhodes and we got him. Wasn't expecting Floyd to fall that far was gpad we got him. Hated the Patterson trade at the time. He sounded to raw etc to trade all that for. He still can't figure it out most of the time imo.

I also desperately wanted Manti Teo with that pick. Lol
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It is hard to remember them all for sure, I would have to wiki each year to see the players I don't remember off the top of my head.

Just remember Spriggs the Tackle the Packers selected I liked him, he's pretty much been a bust as far as I know.
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Remarkable Mike Lynn wouldnt have ever had a chance to collect all the dome suite money he did had a certain 12 year old kid owned a gun the year we drafted a squeaky voiced bitch who was more interested in disco than scoring TD's instead of the HOF RB who would have won us a SB. Easily the worst decision in franchise history due to A. Not getting Allen who I think we win a SB with and B. The ripple effect it had - ie, drafting multiple picks including DJ Dozier and then of course, the crippling Herschel debacle. Even as a 12 year old, ol hgtm just knew things. :mrgreen:

I thought Dj Dozier would solve our RB issues. He was very good at PSU. Loved the pick at the time.

I couldnt believe we bypassed Sapp. Still cant. Absurd and costly decision. Imagine for a second what this team looks like with Sapp and Randle inside. Possibly the greatest interior DL of all time.

This isnt Viking related, but I thought Heath Shuler was the real deal. Ah, yeah.

Nothing defined the preposterous arrogance of Green than the 1999 draft. Draft Underwood 3 rounds before anyone else would have all simply out of his trying to show everyone he was going to again find the Randy Moss of the draft and be the coach who could "save" a headcase type player. Only problem was, this time it wasnt a top 3 talent being drafted in 20's, it was a top 150 talent being drafted in 1st round. Just a fucking moron.

I thought Kalil would be a stud for 10 years. So did everyone else, however.

I thought the over the top crap on Justin Blackmon was entertaining, and it ended up being extremely entertaining.
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I remember being REALLY pleased when we took the Kalil, and even fleeced the Browns to get them move up one spot in a trade with us for Trent Richardson lol! That ended up being a poor draft as all of the realistic options (Blackmon, Claiborne, etc.) has underwhelming careers.

I also was happy at the time with the Ponder pick.

I wanted Treadwell too. Oops. #powerroutes

Was REALLY excited about Patterson the year we had three first rounders.

One of my rare smart moments were that I was 100% against Johnny Manziel that year, and WAY more people were on that bandwagon than will admit today. Everyone wanted that guy.
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Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:06 am Hard for me to remember them all.

2012

I know I wanted Trent Richardson to pair with AP. I hated Ponder so bad and knew he sucked (No player I have hated here more) WR was pointless because he couldn't get it to them. LT was pointless. Why protect the idiot was what I was saying. I also wanted Claibourne too.

2011

Obviously hated the Ponder pick. My one buddy basically asked me to leave his draft party because I'm became such a bitch about drafting Ponder.

I wanted Taylor Mays.

2010

I really didn't care. I mean I watched it like the rest but I was waiting for the redemption tour. I thought we were so ready, no one we drafted would really contribute that year anyway. Then we sucked and so did the draft picks. I did love and hype Chris Cook until he was gone lol.

2013.

Wanted Rhodes and we got him. Wasn't expecting Floyd to fall that far was gpad we got him. Hated the Patterson trade at the time. He sounded to raw etc to trade all that for. He still can't figure it out most of the time imo.

I also desperately wanted Manti Teo with that pick. Lol
I remember being really torn on Teo, but when we made that trade, I thought he was the pick.
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There better be a lot of mentions of Manziel on here.

I distinctly remember being amazed at how many of the Rubes wanted him.
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A few off the top of my head:

-AP: I was damn near in tears when we got him. I knew we had a star(hit)
-I wanted Aaron Donald over Barr. Barr turned out to be solid, but I think we know who's better.(hit)
-I thought Fatt Kalil was going to be a perennial pro bowler (miss)
-I thought Turdwell was going to be a stud(miss)
-I was super pumped that we got Ev Griff in the later rounds. Knew he'd be a solid pass rusher in the league.(hit)
-I hated the Waynes pick at the time. I wanted Marcus Peters. Turns out all-pro Byron Jones was the pick of the liter in that draft. He went in the late 20's to Dallas. (Hit)
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hategreenticemase wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:09 am Remarkable Mike Lynn wouldnt have ever had a chance to collect all the dome suite money
What is basically interesting about that is when Lynn put those suites in, no one really cared and thought he was making a mistake. That is why he got the cut. They thought they were giving away 10% of nothing.
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Ash Ketchum wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 am There better be a lot of mentions of Manziel on here.

I distinctly remember being amazed at how many of the Rubes wanted him.
I stepped up. My cousin is an Aggie so I watched Manziel from day one. I still wanted to draft him because I thought his football skills were amazing: arm, escapability, coolness. He just had that gunslinger mentality and the athletic ability to make it work. I do admit that as the draft approached some of the behavior was starting to bother me, the worst being the money grab hand signal which I thought showed that his head wasn't totally on straight. I would have drafted him 9th and really had a bust.

As far as Anthony Barr, I didn't really like the pick because I thought Barr was a limited player with limited experience. He had only played DE for two years. His run defense was very poor and his pass coverage was worse and he really was just a pass rush specialist. How Mike Zimmer transformed Barr into the linebacker he is so quickly is an amazing job of coaching.

I thought Donald would be good, but frankly, not this good. Same with JJ Watts.
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Erasmus James was in one of my classes at Wisconsin and was a pretty cool dude, so was excited when we drafted him.

Never met Michael Bennett (the UW RB) but was excited too when we drafted him. He had Olympic speed and we had a big need at RB after Robert retired early. Too bad that didn’t work out.

I really thought Marcus Johnson would be a 10 yr plug and play guy. The 2nd rd G just seemed so solid.

I know he’s hot and cold depending on which Vikes fan you ask, but I Loved getting Bryant McKinnie and I still do. We had a major need st LT, this was a beast of a man that should have gone way before 7, and even though he only ever cared to get by with his athletic ability, he did still do his job.

Moss is obviously a story on its own. We had just moved houses that week so our TV was still on the floor when I was watching that year, but remember going crazy while we were unpacking.

I remember the Chris Cook draft was the first time they did the Thurs night deal, and we trade out of the first round, so had to wait another 20 hrs to see who our first pick was. That sucked.

I was excited for the John David Booty pick, but that was before I realized how truly bad the hit rate is on mid round QBs.
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Oriole81 wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:27 am Erasmus James was in one of my classes at Wisconsin and was a pretty cool dude, so was excited when we drafted him.

Never met Michael Bennett (the UW RB) but was excited too when we drafted him. He had Olympic speed and we had a big need at RB after Robert retired early. Too bad that didn’t work out.

I really thought Marcus Johnson would be a 10 yr plug and play guy. The 2nd rd G just seemed so solid.

I know he’s hot and cold depending on which Vikes fan you ask, but I Loved getting Bryant McKinnie and I still do. We had a major need st LT, this was a beast of a man that should have gone way before 7, and even though he only ever cared to get by with his athletic ability, he did still do his job.

Moss is obviously a story on its own. We had just moved houses that week so our TV was still on the floor when I was watching that year, but remember going crazy while we were unpacking.

I remember the Chris Cook draft was the first time they did the Thurs night deal, and we trade out of the first round, so had to wait another 20 hrs to see who our first pick was. That sucked.

I was excited for the John David Booty pick, but that was before I realized how truly bad the hit rate is on mid round QBs.
Oh yeah and I wanted Robert Quinn with the Ponder pick.
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Oriole81 wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:27 am Erasmus James was in one of my classes at Wisconsin and was a pretty cool dude, so was excited when we drafted him.

Never met Michael Bennett (the UW RB) but was excited too when we drafted him. He had Olympic speed and we had a big need at RB after Robert retired early. Too bad that didn’t work out.

I really thought Marcus Johnson would be a 10 yr plug and play guy. The 2nd rd G just seemed so solid.

I know he’s hot and cold depending on which Vikes fan you ask, but I Loved getting Bryant McKinnie and I still do. We had a major need st LT, this was a beast of a man that should have gone way before 7, and even though he only ever cared to get by with his athletic ability, he did still do his job.

Moss is obviously a story on its own. We had just moved houses that week so our TV was still on the floor when I was watching that year, but remember going crazy while we were unpacking.

I remember the Chris Cook draft was the first time they did the Thurs night deal, and we trade out of the first round, so had to wait another 20 hrs to see who our first pick was. That sucked.

I was excited for the John David Booty pick, but that was before I realized how truly bad the hit rate is on mid round QBs.
Michael Bennett was more track star than NFL RB, but in that offense with Moss taking the top off, he was really effective that one year. Then he had a weird foot injury and never really recovered.
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mlhouse wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:03 am
Ash Ketchum wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 am There better be a lot of mentions of Manziel on here.

I distinctly remember being amazed at how many of the Rubes wanted him.
I stepped up. My cousin is an Aggie so I watched Manziel from day one. I still wanted to draft him because I thought his football skills were amazing: arm, escapability, coolness. He just had that gunslinger mentality and the athletic ability to make it work. I do admit that as the draft approached some of the behavior was starting to bother me, the worst being the money grab hand signal which I thought showed that his head wasn't totally on straight. I would have drafted him 9th and really had a bust.

As far as Anthony Barr, I didn't really like the pick because I thought Barr was a limited player with limited experience. He had only played DE for two years. His run defense was very poor and his pass coverage was worse and he really was just a pass rush specialist. How Mike Zimmer transformed Barr into the linebacker he is so quickly is an amazing job of coaching.

I thought Donald would be good, but frankly, not this good. Same with JJ Watts.
Agreed on Barr. I was somewhat surprised when he was the pick.

I was expecting and hoping for Bridgewater at 8/9, which would have been a disaster.
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I wanted Johnny Football and was really, really pissed when the Browns sniped the Vikings. Hindsight being 20/20, not so pissed now! The reason I wanted him was that I was tired (and still am) of having a starting QB that had no field presence. I have wanted a QB like Favre of 2009, since we had Favre in 2009. Someone who had some gravitas, some schuztspa (sp?), someone that when the Vikings are down by 5, with 1:28 to go and having to drive the field for TD, makes you say, "Hell YES, they can do it!" Not the flotsam that we have had that makes everyone head for the exits. Manziel had that in college (he was and is a meathead (still)), but that gravitas is something the Vikings sorely have lacked for many years.
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Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:31 am
Oriole81 wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:27 am Erasmus James was in one of my classes at Wisconsin and was a pretty cool dude, so was excited when we drafted him.

Never met Michael Bennett (the UW RB) but was excited too when we drafted him. He had Olympic speed and we had a big need at RB after Robert retired early. Too bad that didn’t work out.

I really thought Marcus Johnson would be a 10 yr plug and play guy. The 2nd rd G just seemed so solid.

I know he’s hot and cold depending on which Vikes fan you ask, but I Loved getting Bryant McKinnie and I still do. We had a major need st LT, this was a beast of a man that should have gone way before 7, and even though he only ever cared to get by with his athletic ability, he did still do his job.

Moss is obviously a story on its own. We had just moved houses that week so our TV was still on the floor when I was watching that year, but remember going crazy while we were unpacking.

I remember the Chris Cook draft was the first time they did the Thurs night deal, and we trade out of the first round, so had to wait another 20 hrs to see who our first pick was. That sucked.

I was excited for the John David Booty pick, but that was before I realized how truly bad the hit rate is on mid round QBs.
Michael Bennett was more track star than NFL RB, but in that offense with Moss taking the top off, he was really effective that one year. Then he had a weird foot injury and never really recovered.
True on Bennett. I’m sure I had more of a personal connection to him since he was a Badger, but had I been just impartial I would have been less excited.

And I actually liked the Barr pick. Let’s not forget that after that college season Barr was thought of as a top 5 talent. He only started “falling” in mocks because none of the media guys could figure out what position he would play, so it’s hard to guess which team would take him. But the guy fell out of no fault of his own.
So when I heard rumblings from PA like a day before the draft that we had started to show an interest, I was excited because I trusted that Zim would have a plan for him. And he did and it’s been a great pick, even if realizing after the fact that Donald would have been better.
But Barr still brought with him a hot mom, so let’s not forget that.
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Oriole81 wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:27 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:31 am
Oriole81 wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:27 am Erasmus James was in one of my classes at Wisconsin and was a pretty cool dude, so was excited when we drafted him.

Never met Michael Bennett (the UW RB) but was excited too when we drafted him. He had Olympic speed and we had a big need at RB after Robert retired early. Too bad that didn’t work out.

I really thought Marcus Johnson would be a 10 yr plug and play guy. The 2nd rd G just seemed so solid.

I know he’s hot and cold depending on which Vikes fan you ask, but I Loved getting Bryant McKinnie and I still do. We had a major need st LT, this was a beast of a man that should have gone way before 7, and even though he only ever cared to get by with his athletic ability, he did still do his job.

Moss is obviously a story on its own. We had just moved houses that week so our TV was still on the floor when I was watching that year, but remember going crazy while we were unpacking.

I remember the Chris Cook draft was the first time they did the Thurs night deal, and we trade out of the first round, so had to wait another 20 hrs to see who our first pick was. That sucked.

I was excited for the John David Booty pick, but that was before I realized how truly bad the hit rate is on mid round QBs.
Michael Bennett was more track star than NFL RB, but in that offense with Moss taking the top off, he was really effective that one year. Then he had a weird foot injury and never really recovered.
True on Bennett. I’m sure I had more of a personal connection to him since he was a Badger, but had I been just impartial I would have been less excited.

And I actually liked the Barr pick. Let’s not forget that after that college season Barr was thought of as a top 5 talent. He only started “falling” in mocks because none of the media guys could figure out what position he would play, so it’s hard to guess which team would take him. But the guy fell out of no fault of his own.
So when I heard rumblings from PA like a day before the draft that we had started to show an interest, I was excited because I trusted that Zim would have a plan for him. And he did and it’s been a great pick, even if realizing after the fact that Donald would have been better.
But Barr still brought with him a hot mom, so let’s not forget that.
All Barr showed at UCLA was that he could rush the passer. His run defense was rudimentary and his coverage almost laughable. It is amazing where he is now.
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Re: Your draft hits and misses

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mlhouse wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:53 pm
Oriole81 wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:27 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:31 am

Michael Bennett was more track star than NFL RB, but in that offense with Moss taking the top off, he was really effective that one year. Then he had a weird foot injury and never really recovered.
True on Bennett. I’m sure I had more of a personal connection to him since he was a Badger, but had I been just impartial I would have been less excited.

And I actually liked the Barr pick. Let’s not forget that after that college season Barr was thought of as a top 5 talent. He only started “falling” in mocks because none of the media guys could figure out what position he would play, so it’s hard to guess which team would take him. But the guy fell out of no fault of his own.
So when I heard rumblings from PA like a day before the draft that we had started to show an interest, I was excited because I trusted that Zim would have a plan for him. And he did and it’s been a great pick, even if realizing after the fact that Donald would have been better.
But Barr still brought with him a hot mom, so let’s not forget that.
All Barr showed at UCLA was that he could rush the passer. His run defense was rudimentary and his coverage almost laughable. It is amazing where he is now.
He was rated in the Top 5 at the end of the college year.
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Re: Your draft hits and misses

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Oriole81 wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:02 pm
mlhouse wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:53 pm
Oriole81 wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:27 pm

True on Bennett. I’m sure I had more of a personal connection to him since he was a Badger, but had I been just impartial I would have been less excited.

And I actually liked the Barr pick. Let’s not forget that after that college season Barr was thought of as a top 5 talent. He only started “falling” in mocks because none of the media guys could figure out what position he would play, so it’s hard to guess which team would take him. But the guy fell out of no fault of his own.
So when I heard rumblings from PA like a day before the draft that we had started to show an interest, I was excited because I trusted that Zim would have a plan for him. And he did and it’s been a great pick, even if realizing after the fact that Donald would have been better.
But Barr still brought with him a hot mom, so let’s not forget that.
All Barr showed at UCLA was that he could rush the passer. His run defense was rudimentary and his coverage almost laughable. It is amazing where he is now.
He was rated in the Top 5 at the end of the college year.

Such rankings are meaningless to me. If you watched him any at UCLA he could not play the run very well from the DE spot. His technique was terrible. But Zimmer and his staff really developed him from a player that was inexperienced to a complete NFL LB. Personally, even given Barr's innate athleticism, it is a basic miracle.
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I could easily go back to 93 for this type thing.

Certainly like the rest Warren Sapp over Derrick Alexander.

I would not have selected Peterson only because the year before in the 3rd i was pounding the table for Maurice Jones-Drew

But getting closer to memory for you all.

09 Wanted Michael Oher bad but thrilled when Harvin dropped. Hated Loadholt wanted Shonn Greene, but after passing on Oher I wouldve selected S. Vollmer. Loved Juaquin Iglesias that draft and wanted him in 3rd, but with harvin wanted Asher.
10 Willing to draft Jimmy Clausen at the end of r1 (bad choice)
Really wanted Eric Decker bad over trading up for Toby(good)
11 Wanted Locker(pa convinced me) but wouldve drafted Dalton. I was the first on rube chat to post. Noooooooooooo when we drafted Ponder.
Wanted Marvin Austin round 2. With Rudolph I was very happy as I thought he'd be gone.
12 Didnt want Kalil was the only one on RC to suggest a trade back for Kuechly. But at 4 I was drafting Justin Blackman. Instead of trading up and did not want Harrison Smith(mistake on that) but badly wanted LaVonte David still wouldve been a great pick.
13 wanted Xaiver Rhodes, thought Floyd would be long gone. Wanted Sylvester Williams. And huge fan of Matt Elam(bad) when traded up.
14 Wanted Aaron Donald or Teddy at pick 11.
Wouldve taken Yankey(bad) over Crichton.
I was screaming for DeVonte Freeman when we pick McKinnon.
15 Wanted Gurley or Melvin Gordon. Still think Gurley was the pick before Rams sniped him one pick before. War room video showed rick say Fuck when rams picked, then looked at studwell and plan b(lip reading) I still wouldve took Melvin. Wanted Kendricks. Honestly thought Danielle Hunter was a big reach and bad pick wanted PJ Williams predraft with Waynes selection wouldve taken TY Montgomery.
16 Treadwell fan and thought it was a great pick. But really wanted Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith. And wouldve picked LB over treadwell.
R2 Cody Whitehair like everyone else on RC.
R3 if not traded Connor Cook all the way.
R4 Andrew Billings was still there!!!

17 if no Bradford trade hoped Christian McCaffrey wouldve been there. Again if we had #14 I wouldve picked OJ Howard who most mocks had in top 10.
R2 wanted Joe Mixon, Donta Foreman or Kareem Hunt or Kamera. Didnt think Cook would be there or close enough to trade up for.
R3 Dan Feeney or Elfein
R4 Thrilled with Jaleel Johnson
Wanted Jake Butt over Gideon
Adam Bisowaty over Rodney Adams
Elijah Lee who we took r7 I wouldve taken r5(bad)

Last year Wanted Isaiah Wynn. Gone so wouldve selected Braden Smith.
R2 as I took OL r1. It was Justin Reid 100%
R3 hated Holmes pick wanted Rasheem Greene but gone but Maurise Hurst was still there we all wanted him and we were right.
Kallen Ballage gone when Conklin was picked I wanted John Kelly.
Loved Carlson pick was eying Jack Cichy with predraft mock.
Also late hoped Luke Falk would make it to to us but didnt.
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mglviks wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:02 pm
Last year Wanted Isaiah Wynn. Gone so wouldve selected Braden Smith.
R2 as I took OL r1. It was Justin Reid 100%
R3 hated Holmes pick wanted Rasheem Greene but gone but Maurise Hurst was still there we all wanted him and we were right.
Kallen Ballage gone when Conklin was picked I wanted John Kelly.
Loved Carlson pick was eying Jack Cichy with predraft mock.
Also late hoped Luke Falk would make it to to us but didnt.
Last year the mistake I think Rick made was trading down at end of 3rd round. I would have just taken Alex Cappa, the player the Bucs traded up for. I think Cappa eventually is the LG starter and plays much better than Compton (although our conservative coaching staff would have started Compton at the beginning of the year). I get value drafting, but moving down and taking a DL that does nto play all year and just getting a 6th wasn't worth passing on a huge team need.

This was particularly true since everyone considered O'Neil not ready to play right away in the NFL.
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I remember loving Crabtree. I wanted him so bad. He's a good player but nothing I thought he was going to be.

Also, I wanted Rhodes and Alexander bad too and we took them. I'm pretty happy with that.

Peterson was obvious.

I wanted Chad Johnson in 2001 really bad too and we ended up with Michael Bennett (I think?). I remember watching Johnson and Houshmandzadeh carve up Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl and being impressed.

Was huge on Kalil and we took him and that ended up being a awful selection.

When Ponder was drafted I knew we were in trouble.

Did not want anything to do with Patterson or Treadwell at all prior to the draft even though people around old site were all about drafting them. I hate WR's that don't know how to run routes out of college. There's a reason they can't figure it out prior to the NFL.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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salamander wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:39 pm I remember loving Crabtree. I wanted him so bad. He's a good player but nothing I thought he was going to be.

Also, I wanted Rhodes and Alexander bad too and we took them. I'm pretty happy with that.

Peterson was obvious.

I wanted Chad Johnson in 2001 really bad too and we ended up with Michael Bennett (I think?). I remember watching Johnson and Houshmandzadeh carve up Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl and being impressed.

Was huge on Kalil and we took him and that ended up being a awful selection.

When Ponder was drafted I knew we were in trouble.

Did not want anything to do with Patterson or Treadwell at all prior to the draft even though people around old site were all about drafting them. I hate WR's that don't know how to run routes out of college. There's a reason they can't figure it out prior to the NFL.
The mistake they made with Ponder was taking him at 12. They should have traded down a ways in the first round. I understand they wanted Ponder, but even if that was the case I can't see how you would want him so much more than Andy Dalton or Colin Kaepernick in that draft. So you trade down, hope Ponder was still there and if not, select Dalton. And that is not hindsight, that is exactly what I said draft night.
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I wanted Manziel. The only time I really had doubts about him was on draft day when he was drinking that beer. There was just something weird about that; a level of arrogance that rubbed me wrong. He was under all kinds of scrutiny and he responded by pretty openly drinking beer.

We'll call that a big ole miss.
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