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All the QB drafted since 2011. Who would you have wanted? I have bolded the players that I think are better than Cousins. I think Tribusky is better due to his mobility. Some of the younger guys, the jury is still out. IE: Allen, Lamar Jackson etc.

Year Rnd Pick Player Pos
2018 1 1 Baker Mayfield QB
2018 1 3 Sam Darnold QB
2018 1 7 Josh Allen QB
2018 1 10 Josh Rosen QB
2018 1 32 Lamar Jackson QB
2018 3 76 Mason Rudolph QB
2018 4 108 Kyle Lauletta QB
2018 5 171 Mike White QB
2018 6 199 Luke Falk QB
2018 6 203 Tanner Lee QB
2018 7 219 Danny Etling QB
2018 7 220 Alex McGough QB
2018 7 249 Logan Woodside QB
2017 1 2 Mitchell Trubisky QB
2017 1 10 Patrick Mahomes QB
2017 1 12 Deshaun Watson QB

2017 2 52 DeShone Kizer QB
2017 3 87 Davis Webb QB
2017 3 104 C.J. Beathard QB
2017 4 135 Joshua Dobbs QB
2017 5 171 Nathan Peterman QB
2017 6 215 Brad Kaaya QB
2017 7 253 Chad Kelly QB
2016 1 1 Jared Goff QB
2016 1 2 Carson Wentz QB

2016 1 26 Paxton Lynch QB
2016 2 51 Christian Hackenberg QB
2016 3 91 Jacoby Brissett QB
2016 3 93 Cody Kessler QB
2016 4 100 Connor Cook QB
2016 4 135 Dak Prescott QB
2016 4 139 Cardale Jones QB
2016 5 162 Kevin Hogan QB
2016 6 187 Nate Sudfeld QB
2016 6 191 Jake Rudock QB
2016 6 201 Brandon Allen QB
2016 6 207 Jeff Driskel QB
2016 7 223 Brandon Doughty QB
2015 1 1 Jameis Winston QB
2015 1 2 Marcus Mariota QB
2015 3 75 Garrett Grayson QB
2015 3 89 Sean Mannion QB
2015 4 103 Bryce Petty QB
2015 5 147 Brett Hundley QB
2015 7 250 Trevor Siemian QB
2014 1 3 Blake Bortles QB
2014 1 22 Johnny Manziel QB
2014 1 32 Teddy Bridgewater QB
2014 2 36 Derek Carr QB
2014 2 62 Jimmy Garoppolo QB
2014 4 120 Logan Thomas QB
2014 4 135 Tom Savage QB
2014 5 163 Aaron Murray QB
2014 5 164 A.J. McCarron QB
2014 6 178 Zach Mettenberger QB
2014 6 183 David Fales QB
2014 6 194 Keith Wenning QB
2014 6 213 Tajh Boyd QB
2014 6 214 Garrett Gilbert QB
2013 1 16 EJ Manuel QB
2013 2 39 Geno Smith QB
2013 3 73 Mike Glennon QB
2013 4 98 Matt Barkley QB
2013 4 110 Ryan Nassib QB
2013 4 112 Tyler Wilson QB
2013 4 115 Landry Jones QB
2013 7 221 Brad Sorensen QB
2013 7 234 Zac Dysert QB
2013 7 237 B.J. Daniels QB
2013 7 249 Sean Renfree QB
2012 1 1 Andrew Luck QB
2012 1 2 Robert Griffin QB
2012 1 8 Ryan Tannehill QB
2012 1 22 Brandon Weeden QB
2012 2 57 Brock Osweiler QB
2012 3 75 Russell Wilson QB
2012 3 88 Nick Foles QB
2012 4 102 Kirk Cousins QB
2012 6 185 Ryan Lindley QB
2012 7 243 B.J. Coleman QB
2012 7 253 Chandler Harnish QB
2011 1 1 Cam Newton QB
2011 1 8 Jake Locker QB
2011 1 10 Blaine Gabbert QB
2011 1 12 Christian Ponder QB
2011 2 35 Andy Dalton QB
2011 2 36 Colin Kaepernick QB
2011 3 74 Ryan Mallett QB
2011 5 135 Ricky Stanzi QB
2011 5 152 T.J. Yates QB
2011 5 160 Nathan Enderle QB
2011 6 180 Tyrod Taylor QB
2011 7 208 Greg McElroy QB
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All first round draft picks except for Wilson, who would have been a first rounder if he had been two inches taller or come out a few years later.

People who think GMs should be blindly taking a QB late in every draft just in case should look at this list.
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Trubisky is not better than Cousins. Wtf?
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Tuck ya in wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:35 pm Trubisky is not better than Cousins. Wtf?
Too early to call. He does some things better, but doesn’t throw the ball as well.
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Beef Supreme wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:45 pm
Tuck ya in wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:35 pm Trubisky is not better than Cousins. Wtf?
Too early to call. He does some things better, but doesn’t throw the ball as well.
Lol. Ya that's probably a big one.

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The real question is which of these bolded QB's did the vikings have a legitimate shot at drafting? Leaving pie in the sky dream trades out of the equation?
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Seeing as last year was the year we signed him I'll go back that far...

Mayfield

Keenum

Rosen

Allen

were the options I thought were better...Rosen being the most like Kirk. I liked kirk as a placeholder but I thought Keenum made more sense being that he was already here.

As far as trading up in the draft, who cares Chicago, Rams, Eagles, and Chiefs are all teams that gave up draft capital to get their QB.
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The fact is if we limit the question to who was both available and attainable when we got Cousins he was the best available which is why we paid what we did to get him. Period.

Almost no fans except me thought Keenum was a better team fit and he had little fan or organizational support.

Also you have to take into consideration that while we gave him a huge contract, he was actually offered even more by the Jets but he came here and accepted less to be in this organization.
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PurpleFloyd wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:17 am The fact is if we limit the question to who was both available and attainable when we got Cousins he was the best available which is why we paid what we did to get him. Period.

Almost no fans except me thought Keenum was a better team fit and he had little fan or organizational support.

Also you have to take into consideration that while we gave him a huge contract, he was actually offered even more by the Jets but he came here and accepted less to be in this organization.
That’s partly right about the Jets. I believe the 100% guaranteed contract was what set it apart.

With the running game how it was in 2018, Keenum would have been worse, and his performance in Denver proves that. I’d bet my house that 2017 will go down as the best year in Keenum’s career BY FAR when it’s all said and done.
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Beef Supreme wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:45 pm
Tuck ya in wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:35 pm Trubisky is not better than Cousins. Wtf?
Too early to call. He does some things better, but doesn’t throw the ball as well.
He runs better. That's pretty much it. As long as Trubisky is the qb of the Bears we will never have to worry about them winning a sb.
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This guy could do as well as Cousins did last year, with one eye tied under his nose:

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I don't get it. Is that humor?
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Jimmy Butler wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:56 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:45 pm
Tuck ya in wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:35 pm Trubisky is not better than Cousins. Wtf?
Too early to call. He does some things better, but doesn’t throw the ball as well.
He runs better. That's pretty much it. As long as Trubisky is the qb of the Bears we will never have to worry about them winning a sb.
It’s more than just rushing yards.

He feels and escapes pressure in the pocket much better too.
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He can ride a defense to the playoffs like no one's business too!
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Joe Bag 'O Donuts wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:19 pm He can ride a defense to the playoffs like no one's business too!
Hey, I’m not the trubitsky apologist here. Just calling it like I see it.

Do you disagree?
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Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:22 pm
Joe Bag 'O Donuts wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:19 pm He can ride a defense to the playoffs like no one's business too!
Hey, I’m not the trubitsky apologist here. Just calling it like I see it.

Do you disagree?
That Trubitsky is better? No. But yes, he can get away from pressure more effectively.
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Joe Bag 'O Donuts wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:27 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:22 pm
Joe Bag 'O Donuts wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:19 pm He can ride a defense to the playoffs like no one's business too!
Hey, I’m not the trubitsky apologist here. Just calling it like I see it.

Do you disagree?
That Trubitsky is better? No. But yes, he can get away from pressure more effectively.
I didn’t say he was better, so we agree.
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Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:34 pm
Joe Bag 'O Donuts wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:27 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:22 pm

Hey, I’m not the trubitsky apologist here. Just calling it like I see it.

Do you disagree?
That Trubitsky is better? No. But yes, he can get away from pressure more effectively.
I didn’t say he was better, so we agree.
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Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:16 pm
Jimmy Butler wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:56 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:45 pm

Too early to call. He does some things better, but doesn’t throw the ball as well.
He runs better. That's pretty much it. As long as Trubisky is the qb of the Bears we will never have to worry about them winning a sb.
It’s more than just rushing yards.

He feels and escapes pressure in the pocket much better too.
That can be a detriment to his development as a passer. In fact, I'd bet on that. He strikes me as a one read and run guy. I don't watch every Bear's game but I can't remember him coming off his first read, sliding in the pocket and going to his second or third read.

That style can win some games in the regular season, especially when your pair it with Matt Nagy's offensive mind and a top defense. I don't see it being a formula for winning in the playoffs and I don't see many quarterbacks overcoming something that essentially boils down to how their nervous system is wired.

It's tough, but I'd take Cousins over Trubisky. I think we've seen best case scenario for Trubisky and we haven't done shit to keep Cousins upright.
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Jimmy Butler wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:28 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:16 pm
Jimmy Butler wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:56 pm

He runs better. That's pretty much it. As long as Trubisky is the qb of the Bears we will never have to worry about them winning a sb.
It’s more than just rushing yards.

He feels and escapes pressure in the pocket much better too.
That can be a detriment to his development as a passer. In fact, I'd bet on that. He strikes me as a one read and run guy. I don't watch every Bear's game but I can't remember him coming off his first read, sliding in the pocket and going to his second or third read.

That style can win some games in the regular season, especially when your pair it with Matt Nagy's offensive mind and a top defense. I don't see it being a formula for winning in the playoffs and I don't see many quarterbacks overcoming something that essentially boils down to how their nervous system is wired.

It's tough, but I'd take Cousins over Trubisky. I think we've seen best case scenario for Trubisky and we haven't done shit to keep Cousins upright.
Agreed. In a vacuum, I think Cousins is a better QB. It’s not by miles, but I think he’s better.


However, you could make the argument that the Vikes would have been better last year with Mitch than they were with Kirk as Mitch's strengths mitigate the Vikings’ biggest weakness last year (much like Keenum did the year before).

But can Mitch win you a super bowl? Not unless he expands his game, imho. Kirk could, with a very well-constructed team around him to maximize his strengths and hide his weaknesses.

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Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:36 pm
Jimmy Butler wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:28 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:16 pm

It’s more than just rushing yards.

He feels and escapes pressure in the pocket much better too.
That can be a detriment to his development as a passer. In fact, I'd bet on that. He strikes me as a one read and run guy. I don't watch every Bear's game but I can't remember him coming off his first read, sliding in the pocket and going to his second or third read.

That style can win some games in the regular season, especially when your pair it with Matt Nagy's offensive mind and a top defense. I don't see it being a formula for winning in the playoffs and I don't see many quarterbacks overcoming something that essentially boils down to how their nervous system is wired.

It's tough, but I'd take Cousins over Trubisky. I think we've seen best case scenario for Trubisky and we haven't done shit to keep Cousins upright.
Agreed. In a vacuum, I think Cousins is a better QB. It’s not by miles, but I think he’s better.


However, you could make the argument that the Vikes would have been better last year with Mitch than they were with Kirk as Mitch's strengths mitigate the Vikings’ biggest weakness last year (much like Keenum did the year before).

But can Mitch win you a super bowl? Not unless he expands his game, imho. Kirk could, with a very well-constructed team around him to maximize his strengths and hide his weaknesses.

In my humble opinion.
No dawg, he is MILES bestter at throwing a football than Mitch lol.
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Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:42 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:36 pm
Jimmy Butler wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:28 pm

That can be a detriment to his development as a passer. In fact, I'd bet on that. He strikes me as a one read and run guy. I don't watch every Bear's game but I can't remember him coming off his first read, sliding in the pocket and going to his second or third read.

That style can win some games in the regular season, especially when your pair it with Matt Nagy's offensive mind and a top defense. I don't see it being a formula for winning in the playoffs and I don't see many quarterbacks overcoming something that essentially boils down to how their nervous system is wired.

It's tough, but I'd take Cousins over Trubisky. I think we've seen best case scenario for Trubisky and we haven't done shit to keep Cousins upright.
Agreed. In a vacuum, I think Cousins is a better QB. It’s not by miles, but I think he’s better.


However, you could make the argument that the Vikes would have been better last year with Mitch than they were with Kirk as Mitch's strengths mitigate the Vikings’ biggest weakness last year (much like Keenum did the year before).

But can Mitch win you a super bowl? Not unless he expands his game, imho. Kirk could, with a very well-constructed team around him to maximize his strengths and hide his weaknesses.

In my humble opinion.
No dawg, he is MILES bestter at throwing a football than Mitch lol.
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Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:54 pm
Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:42 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:36 pm

Agreed. In a vacuum, I think Cousins is a better QB. It’s not by miles, but I think he’s better.


However, you could make the argument that the Vikes would have been better last year with Mitch than they were with Kirk as Mitch's strengths mitigate the Vikings’ biggest weakness last year (much like Keenum did the year before).

But can Mitch win you a super bowl? Not unless he expands his game, imho. Kirk could, with a very well-constructed team around him to maximize his strengths and hide his weaknesses.

In my humble opinion.
No dawg, he is MILES bestter at throwing a football than Mitch lol.
Sigh....
I'll give you Trubisky on mobility but that's it! Mitch will be holding a clipboard somewhere by the time he's Kirks age, not cashing 100 million dollar deals.
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Here is the thing: there are probably 10 quarterbacks on that list that could have led the Vikings to the Super Bowl. The right coach, the right situation, and just believing in someone can create a franchise quarterback. A million factors go into any season so putting a different quarterback in after the fact is way too much conjecture.

To be drafted high you have proved yourself over many years, but situation is key. Aaron Rodgers had the ACL from a cadaver put into his knee before being drafted. AP had a broken collarbone. Teams were built around these guys and the more people believed, the more they achieved. They lived up to the moment. The were winners and champions. Pro Bowl guys. Franchise guys.

So here is what bothers me about Kirk Cousins. He has never lived up to the moment. He should have won that Bears game. That is what even the smallest of winners do. Christian Ponder did it. Teddy, Brett, and even Keenum did.

Cousins didn’t. He failed. He ran after Thielen to show him his iPad. That ain’t no winner. That ain’t no champion.

And what did the $84 million dollar leader of this team say after the game. The exact quote he used when he lost to go the playoffs with Washington years before.

He is not a champion. He can post that on his locker and prove me wrong. Right now to me he is a weak pretty boy, who was drafted late and isn’t a winner.

Some guys got it and some guys don’t.
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cunningham wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:09 pm Here is the thing: there are probably 10 quarterbacks on that list that could have led the Vikings to the Super Bowl. The right coach, the right situation, and just believing in someone can create a franchise quarterback. A million factors go into any season so putting a different quarterback in after the fact is way too much conjecture.

To be drafted high you have proved yourself over many years, but situation is key. Aaron Rodgers had the ACL from a cadaver put into his knee before being drafted. AP had a broken collarbone. Teams were built around these guys and the more people believed, the more they achieved. They lived up to the moment. The were winners and champions. Pro Bowl guys. Franchise guys.

So here is what bothers me about Kirk Cousins. He has never lived up to the moment. He should have won that Bears game. That is what even the smallest of winners do. Christian Ponder did it. Teddy, Brett, and even Keenum did.

Cousins didn’t. He failed. He ran after Thielen to show him his iPad. That ain’t no winner. That ain’t no champion.

And what did the $84 million dollar leader of this team say after the game. The exact quote he used when he lost to go the playoffs with Washington years before.

He is not a champion. He can post that on his locker and prove me wrong. Right now to me he is a weak pretty boy, who was drafted late and isn’t a winner.

Some guys got it and some guys don’t.
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cunningham wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:09 pm Here is the thing: there are probably 10 quarterbacks on that list that could have led the Vikings to the Super Bowl. The right coach, the right situation, and just believing in someone can create a franchise quarterback. A million factors go into any season so putting a different quarterback in after the fact is way too much conjecture.

To be drafted high you have proved yourself over many years, but situation is key. Aaron Rodgers had the ACL from a cadaver put into his knee before being drafted. AP had a broken collarbone. Teams were built around these guys and the more people believed, the more they achieved. They lived up to the moment. The were winners and champions. Pro Bowl guys. Franchise guys.

So here is what bothers me about Kirk Cousins. He has never lived up to the moment. He should have won that Bears game. That is what even the smallest of winners do. Christian Ponder did it. Teddy, Brett, and even Keenum did.

Cousins didn’t. He failed. He ran after Thielen to show him his iPad. That ain’t no winner. That ain’t no champion.

And what did the $84 million dollar leader of this team say after the game. The exact quote he used when he lost to go the playoffs with Washington years before.

He is not a champion. He can post that on his locker and prove me wrong. Right now to me he is a weak pretty boy, who was drafted late and isn’t a winner.

Some guys got it and some guys don’t.
You said it.

Coaching, scheme fit and supporting case can make or break a QB.

Cousins had a poor OC who got fired mid-season, and had to switch OC on the fly. The offensive line was poor, and so pass protection was a constant problem as were the lack of run game and lack of a third option in the passing game.

I’m not saying Cousins wasn’t disappointing in Y1, he was. But before we make claims like “Cousins isn’t the guy,” I’m willing to see what it looks like with Kubiak on staff and hopefully an improved supporting cast.
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Ash Ketchum wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:29 am
cunningham wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:09 pm Here is the thing: there are probably 10 quarterbacks on that list that could have led the Vikings to the Super Bowl. The right coach, the right situation, and just believing in someone can create a franchise quarterback. A million factors go into any season so putting a different quarterback in after the fact is way too much conjecture.

To be drafted high you have proved yourself over many years, but situation is key. Aaron Rodgers had the ACL from a cadaver put into his knee before being drafted. AP had a broken collarbone. Teams were built around these guys and the more people believed, the more they achieved. They lived up to the moment. The were winners and champions. Pro Bowl guys. Franchise guys.

So here is what bothers me about Kirk Cousins. He has never lived up to the moment. He should have won that Bears game. That is what even the smallest of winners do. Christian Ponder did it. Teddy, Brett, and even Keenum did.

Cousins didn’t. He failed. He ran after Thielen to show him his iPad. That ain’t no winner. That ain’t no champion.

And what did the $84 million dollar leader of this team say after the game. The exact quote he used when he lost to go the playoffs with Washington years before.

He is not a champion. He can post that on his locker and prove me wrong. Right now to me he is a weak pretty boy, who was drafted late and isn’t a winner.

Some guys got it and some guys don’t.
You said it.

Coaching, scheme fit and supporting case can make or break a QB.

Cousins had a poor OC who got fired mid-season, and had to switch OC on the fly. The offensive line was poor, and so pass protection was a constant problem as were the lack of run game and lack of a third option in the passing game.

I’m not saying Cousins wasn’t disappointing in Y1, he was. But before we make claims like “Cousins isn’t the guy,” I’m willing to see what it looks like with Kubiak on staff and hopefully an improved supporting cast.
Yeah, and really regardless of what we all think, this is a 3-year experiment. Barring catastrophic injury, Cousins is our quarterback for at least the next 32 games, for better or for worse..
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Ash Ketchum wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:59 am
PurpleFloyd wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:17 am The fact is if we limit the question to who was both available and attainable when we got Cousins he was the best available which is why we paid what we did to get him. Period.

Almost no fans except me thought Keenum was a better team fit and he had little fan or organizational support.

Also you have to take into consideration that while we gave him a huge contract, he was actually offered even more by the Jets but he came here and accepted less to be in this organization.
That’s partly right about the Jets. I believe the 100% guaranteed contract was what set it apart.

With the running game how it was in 2018, Keenum would have been worse, and his performance in Denver proves that. I’d bet my house that 2017 will go down as the best year in Keenum’s career BY FAR when it’s all said and done.
The running game problems were a result of the coaching and yes, Keenum would have never replicated the prior season but that is because the coaching was terrible not that his skills deteriorated which reinforces my statement that Cousins was not the problem and no other QB would have been the solution.
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Ash Ketchum wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:29 am
cunningham wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:09 pm Here is the thing: there are probably 10 quarterbacks on that list that could have led the Vikings to the Super Bowl. The right coach, the right situation, and just believing in someone can create a franchise quarterback. A million factors go into any season so putting a different quarterback in after the fact is way too much conjecture.

To be drafted high you have proved yourself over many years, but situation is key. Aaron Rodgers had the ACL from a cadaver put into his knee before being drafted. AP had a broken collarbone. Teams were built around these guys and the more people believed, the more they achieved. They lived up to the moment. The were winners and champions. Pro Bowl guys. Franchise guys.

So here is what bothers me about Kirk Cousins. He has never lived up to the moment. He should have won that Bears game. That is what even the smallest of winners do. Christian Ponder did it. Teddy, Brett, and even Keenum did.

Cousins didn’t. He failed. He ran after Thielen to show him his iPad. That ain’t no winner. That ain’t no champion.

And what did the $84 million dollar leader of this team say after the game. The exact quote he used when he lost to go the playoffs with Washington years before.

He is not a champion. He can post that on his locker and prove me wrong. Right now to me he is a weak pretty boy, who was drafted late and isn’t a winner.

Some guys got it and some guys don’t.
You said it.

Coaching, scheme fit and supporting case can make or break a QB.

Cousins had a poor OC who got fired mid-season, and had to switch OC on the fly. The offensive line was poor, and so pass protection was a constant problem as were the lack of run game and lack of a third option in the passing game.

I’m not saying Cousins wasn’t disappointing in Y1, he was. But before we make claims like “Cousins isn’t the guy,” I’m willing to see what it looks like with Kubiak on staff and hopefully an improved supporting cast.
BUT...... and that is a big "but"....

Cousins did have arguably the best offensive minds in Washington and he was the same. Just good enough to let you down. That is why they let him go.

I keep telling myself that it was only one year of Cousins and I shouldn't be so harsh, but he is 31 and there is nothing in Washington that shows he is any different than what we saw last season.

The fact that he used the same exact quote when he blew this season as he did years before scared the crap out of me. Like he just doesn't get it. Then I read some posters here and see that they are just as blind. If Cousins was 23 and did what he did last season I would be so excited I would probably sound like Sergeant Rubetube. The issue is that he is on the back 9 of his career and put in that performance. When we changed it and had Stefanski in there he still blew it.

I am still so pissed off about the Chicago game I am having trouble getting excited. I feel that was one of the worst losses in franchise history. I can't think of a time when this team has let me down that bad. At home, season on the line, the Bears playing scrubs, and Cousins chasing Thielen with that iPad. Just the most embarrassing moment ever as a Vikings' fan - in my opinion.
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Re: Don't like Cousins who would you have wanted?

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Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:42 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:36 pm
Jimmy Butler wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:28 pm

That can be a detriment to his development as a passer. In fact, I'd bet on that. He strikes me as a one read and run guy. I don't watch every Bear's game but I can't remember him coming off his first read, sliding in the pocket and going to his second or third read.

That style can win some games in the regular season, especially when your pair it with Matt Nagy's offensive mind and a top defense. I don't see it being a formula for winning in the playoffs and I don't see many quarterbacks overcoming something that essentially boils down to how their nervous system is wired.

It's tough, but I'd take Cousins over Trubisky. I think we've seen best case scenario for Trubisky and we haven't done shit to keep Cousins upright.
Agreed. In a vacuum, I think Cousins is a better QB. It’s not by miles, but I think he’s better.


However, you could make the argument that the Vikes would have been better last year with Mitch than they were with Kirk as Mitch's strengths mitigate the Vikings’ biggest weakness last year (much like Keenum did the year before).

But can Mitch win you a super bowl? Not unless he expands his game, imho. Kirk could, with a very well-constructed team around him to maximize his strengths and hide his weaknesses.

In my humble opinion.
No dawg, he is MILES bestter at throwing a football than Mitch lol.
Yet Mitch had a higher Y/A, higher TD% (Cousins beats him on INT%), higher Y/C, higher NY/A, higher ANY/A and he had 28 big pass plays (25+ yards) on 434 attempts compared to Cousins who had 25 big pass plays on 606 attempts.
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