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The Vikings’ commitment to quarterback Kirk Cousins, a three-year, $84 million bet on the team’s readiness to win now, has ripple effects throughout the roster. One of the smaller, but noteworthy, aftershocks may reinforce a Vikings’ approach to the NFL Draft: Rick Spielman just doesn’t use draft capital on developmental quarterbacks.

Minnesota has drafted the fewest quarterbacks (2) among all NFL teams in the past decade outside of Atlanta, where the Falcons have started Matt Ryan the entire time. The Vikings’ two draft picks on passers (Teddy Bridgewater, Christian Ponder) since 2009 is tied with three franchises boasting future Hall of Fame quarterbacks in the Saints, Packers and Chargers.

Level of need
Last. The Vikings have not drafted a quarterback outside the first round in a decade. A massive investment in Cousins may prevent that from changing as the Vikings allocate resources to the rest of the roster. Former Rams quarterback Sean Mannion, expected to sign a one-year deal with the Vikings, adds a third passer to the room after the loss of Trevor Siemian to the Jets in free agency.

Contract years
Kirk Cousins (2020)
Sean Mannion (2019)
Kyle Sloter (2019)

Draft history
Teddy Bridgewater (2014, 32nd overall)
Christian Ponder (2011, 12th overall)
John David Booty (2008, 137th overall)
Tyler Thigpen (2007, 217th overall)
Tarvaris Jackson (2006, 64th overall)

Don’t forget about
Kyle Sloter. The third-year quarterback has put forth two strong preseasons, but has been entrenched in the No. 3 spot on the depth chart. If Mannion is his top competition this summer, Sloter could have a legitimate shot at earning the backup job this time around. He’s excited to bereunited with new Vikings quarterbacks coach Klint Kubiak, who coached Sloter in Denver.

Five names to know
Kyle Kempt, Iowa State: The former walk-on quarterback had a prolific run as Iowa State’s starter in 2017 before he struggled and suffered an injured knee during last year’s season opener. The Cyclones beat No. 3 Oklahoma and No. 4 TCU with Kempt under center the previous season. He’s a relative unknown having appeared in just 13 big-time college games.

Brett Rypien, Boise State: What Rypien (6-1, 210) lacks in prototypical size, athleticism and arm strength, he made up for with accuracy and proficiency in college. He threw for 90 touchdowns to 29 interceptions in four seasons. Rypien also reportedly had a solid week during the East-West Shrine Game and practices while playing for the West team coached by Vikings linebackers coach Adam Zimmer.

Easton Stick, North Dakota State: Stick filled big shoes while stepping in for Carson Wentz, and the three-year team captain became the FCS’ all-time leader in win percentage with a 49-3 record in four seasons. Questions about Stick’s arm could drop him into undrafted free agency.

Manny Wilkins, Arizona State: Wilkins was a dual threat as a three-year starter for the Sun Devils, throwing 52 touchdowns and running for 20 touchdowns. He’s shown to have a strong arm, but reportedly projects as unpolished for the NFL.

Taylor Cornelius, Oklahoma State: Another unpolished prospect with natural talents is Cornelius, who was not invited to the combine but should draw interest as an undrafted free agent. He’s listed 6-6 and 232 pounds, making him an interesting project after he threw for 32 touchdowns and 13 interceptions in his lone season at the helm.

How it’ll happen
Our best guess is the Vikings will add another quarterback in undrafted free agency, with the level of player depending on how they approach bidding wars for the best of who’s left after the NFL Draft. They may just settle for a camp arm picked up through a tryout with three quarterbacks already expected to be under contract.

64DegreeWedge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:36 am And they’ve had little success.

Mind blowing that they would pay cousins instead of drafting one every year.

Joe Bag 'O Donuts wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:22 pm Ahem...


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Webb

Obi-Wan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:53 am

64DegreeWedge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:36 am And they’ve had little success.

Mind blowing that they would pay cousins instead of drafting one every year.

That is a waste of draft picks because there is enough time to develop them because you are cutting one of these QB every year. Drafting one every 3 years would be more logical. Any QB outside of round 1 is a long shot.

How many QB drafted in the last 10 years are better than Cousins?

Cam Newton?
Mayfield?
Andrew Luck
Russel Wilson
Mahomes

Obi-Wan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:08 pm

Joe Bag 'O Donuts wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:22 pm Ahem...


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Webb

He was drafted as a WR.

Joe Bag 'O Donuts wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:13 pm

Obi-Wan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:08 pm

Joe Bag 'O Donuts wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:22 pm Ahem...


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Webb

He was drafted as a WR.

He played QB in college This is a bit semantic, he played, and plays QB. This article, according what has been provided by the OP, never even mentions Webb. And that's disingenuous.

Obi-Wan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:15 am

Joe Bag 'O Donuts wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:13 pm

Obi-Wan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:08 pm

He was drafted as a WR.

He played QB in college This is a bit semantic, he played, and plays QB. This article, according what has been provided by the OP, never even mentions Webb. And that's disingenuous.

Well you can add Jerick McKinnon to the list as well since he played QB in college. Drafted as a RB.

Obi-Wan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:10 am Developmental league would never produce enough QBs to justify cost. How many has CFL produced in 50 years?

Dude wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:24 am

Obi-Wan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:10 am Developmental league would never produce enough QBs to justify cost. How many has CFL produced in 50 years?

For how brief it was, there were a number of successful quarterbacks who played in the WLAF including a few that played in the Superbowl (Brad Johnson, Kurt Warner, Jake DelHomme).

Obi-Wan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:45 pm I do not think there are many teams that have invested more in QB than the Vikings the last 10 years. Irrelevant that they have drafted the fewest.
2009 Traded a draft pick for Rosenfels
2009-2010 Huge contract to Favre
2011 Traded draft pick for McNabb
2011 Drafted Ponder #1
2014 Drafted Bridgewater #1
2016 Traded #1 for Bradford
2018 Signed Cousins to huge contract
2018 Traded draft pick for SImien

Obi-Wan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:29 am

Dude wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:24 am

Obi-Wan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:10 am Developmental league would never produce enough QBs to justify cost. How many has CFL produced in 50 years?

For how brief it was, there were a number of successful quarterbacks who played in the WLAF including a few that played in the Superbowl (Brad Johnson, Kurt Warner, Jake DelHomme).

Who is to say that they developed because of that league? That is not many, one of the reasons it was scrapped. Also, those players were already on NFL squads.

Dude wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:46 am

Obi-Wan wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:29 am

Dude wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:24 am

For how brief it was, there were a number of successful quarterbacks who played in the WLAF including a few that played in the Superbowl (Brad Johnson, Kurt Warner, Jake DelHomme).

Who is to say that they developed because of that league? That is not many, one of the reasons it was scrapped. Also, those players were already on NFL squads.

Who's to say they didn't?

"None, however, have spurred the kind of quarterback growth that NFL Europe/World League of American Football achieved in the 1990s. Dozens of future NFL quarterbacks participated, and you might be surprised at the number of eventual starters who can trace a jump-start to their career to extended playing time in Europe or the league's early domestic locales. "

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1970 ... e-delhomme

The league scrapped because nobody gives a shit about football in Barcelona or Hamburg. They didn't sell tickets and it wasn't expanding their fanbase. That's why the NFL left it and decided to focus on London.

The point is it did give guys an opportunity to see reps against high level competition, which is something that does not exist today. It doesn't matter if they were already on NFL squads or not.

Tmoney wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:50 pm I have been saying for a decade now. Unless you know you have your guy, a QB should be drafted yearly.

Somewhere between rounds 2 and 5.

Tmoney wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:50 pm I have been saying for a decade now. Unless you know you have your guy, a QB should be drafted yearly.

Somewhere between rounds 2 and 5.

Ash Ketchum wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:40 pm

Tmoney wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:50 pm I have been saying for a decade now. Unless you know you have your guy, a QB should be drafted yearly.

Somewhere between rounds 2 and 5.

There’s no way I’m spending a 2nd round pick on a QB unless you don’t have a starting QB or your starting QB is old and will be gone within a couple years.

And even in the third round and beyond, the odds of those QBs becoming starting caliber is very low.

If there’s a particular QB in a specific draft that you like and want to take a flier on him, I have no problem with that. But I’m against the “throw a ton of shit against the wall, and eventually something will stick” theory. I get the logic but too many wasted picks when 3rd-5th round picks can be very valuable when building a roster. Griffen, Diggs, Hunter, Harris, Joseph, Cousins and Thielen were all taken in their respective drafts (Thielen was undrafted) in the third round or later.

cunningham wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:29 am

Ash Ketchum wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:40 pm

Tmoney wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:50 pm I have been saying for a decade now. Unless you know you have your guy, a QB should be drafted yearly.

Somewhere between rounds 2 and 5.

There’s no way I’m spending a 2nd round pick on a QB unless you don’t have a starting QB or your starting QB is old and will be gone within a couple years.

And even in the third round and beyond, the odds of those QBs becoming starting caliber is very low.

If there’s a particular QB in a specific draft that you like and want to take a flier on him, I have no problem with that. But I’m against the “throw a ton of shit against the wall, and eventually something will stick” theory. I get the logic but too many wasted picks when 3rd-5th round picks can be very valuable when building a roster. Griffen, Diggs, Hunter, Harris, Joseph, Cousins and Thielen were all taken in their respective drafts (Thielen was undrafted) in the third round or later.

What round was Cousins taken in again?

Ash Ketchum wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:40 pm

Tmoney wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:50 pm I have been saying for a decade now. Unless you know you have your guy, a QB should be drafted yearly.

Somewhere between rounds 2 and 5.

There’s no way I’m spending a 2nd round pick on a QB unless you don’t have a starting QB or your starting QB is old and will be gone within a couple years.

And even in the third round and beyond, the odds of those QBs becoming starting caliber is very low.

If there’s a particular QB in a specific draft that you like and want to take a flier on him, I have no problem with that. But I’m against the “throw a ton of shit against the wall, and eventually something will stick” theory. I get the logic but too many wasted picks when 3rd-5th round picks can be very valuable when building a roster. Griffen, Diggs, Hunter, Harris, Joseph, Cousins and Thielen were all taken in their respective drafts (Thielen was undrafted) in the third round or later.

Tmoney wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:42 am

Ash Ketchum wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:40 pm

Tmoney wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:50 pm I have been saying for a decade now. Unless you know you have your guy, a QB should be drafted yearly.

Somewhere between rounds 2 and 5.

There’s no way I’m spending a 2nd round pick on a QB unless you don’t have a starting QB or your starting QB is old and will be gone within a couple years.

And even in the third round and beyond, the odds of those QBs becoming starting caliber is very low.

If there’s a particular QB in a specific draft that you like and want to take a flier on him, I have no problem with that. But I’m against the “throw a ton of shit against the wall, and eventually something will stick” theory. I get the logic but too many wasted picks when 3rd-5th round picks can be very valuable when building a roster. Griffen, Diggs, Hunter, Harris, Joseph, Cousins and Thielen were all taken in their respective drafts (Thielen was undrafted) in the third round or later.

That's why is said unless you know you have your guy, to keep trying. A QB should have been eyed yearly when Ponder was here.

You are right we could have missed out on some good players.

Also, willie beavers, yankey, Christian Ballard brandon burton damarcus love, Josh Robinson, greg childs, scott chricton, tj clemming, used pick 143 in the 5th for Mychole Pruitt, 3 picks later took diggs.

All guys that did nothing here, and picked in that range. A QB could have been taken some point and at least had a chance to develope.

May e they had a decent option and didn't have to get Bradford after Teddy went down and give up what they did.

Who knows