bombers3shooter wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:24 pm
The Giants aren't giving a premium pick for somebody they've got to pay too. You are massively overrating Waynes value as an NFL player.
Why not? He’s a very good starting DB that can play press man and defend the run. Corners are a premium position in today’s NFL.
The Vikes would extend him but they already paid Rhodes and have enough depth at the position.
Trading Waynes to a team that is a rebuild mode and that wants/needs to build the backend of its D but still remain competitive, is very doable. The interest is already there it’s just the negotiation on trade value that’s left with the trading partner and extension with player and his agent.
Again, perhaps the Purple would have to sweeten the pot but it is not out of the realm of happening.
Maybe you’re underrating Waynes? Day 1 starter, mang.
The blue chip positions that are deep in this year’s draft are OL and DL. Not corners.
bombers3shooter wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:24 pm
The Giants aren't giving a premium pick for somebody they've got to pay too. You are massively overeating Waynes value as an NFL player.
This. They just gave Odell up for this and you think they will trade it back for Trae Waynes?!?!
Pure comedic gold.
Not just Odell, Tube.
They also gave up a former #1 pick, starting Safety, Jabrill Peppers and a 3rd round pick.
Besides, this comparison is apples to oranges.
Odell is one of the best WRs in the game (just ask him) whereas Waynes is a starting DB, that plays press man and the run, for one of the best Defenses the NFL.
bombers3shooter wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:24 pm
The Giants aren't giving a premium pick for somebody they've got to pay too. You are massively overeating Waynes value as an NFL player.
This. They just gave Odell up for this and you think they will trade it back for Trae Waynes?!?!
Pure comedic gold.
Not just Odell, Tube.
They also gave up a former #1 pick, starting Safety, Jabrill Peppers and a 3rd round pick.
Besides, this comparison is apples to oranges.
Odell is one of the best WRs in the game (just ask him) whereas Waynes is a starting DB, that plays press man and the run, for one of the best Defenses the NFL.
Big difference.
This deal wouldn't even be considered, Keith.
“We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us.”
— Malcolm X
This. They just gave Odell up for this and you think they will trade it back for Trae Waynes?!?!
Pure comedic gold.
Not just Odell, Tube.
They also gave up a former #1 pick, starting Safety, Jabrill Peppers and a 3rd round pick.
Besides, this comparison is apples to oranges.
Odell is one of the best WRs in the game (just ask him) whereas Waynes is a starting DB, that plays press man and the run, for one of the best Defenses the NFL.
They also gave up a former #1 pick, starting Safety, Jabrill Peppers and a 3rd round pick.
Besides, this comparison is apples to oranges.
Odell is one of the best WRs in the game (just ask him) whereas Waynes is a starting DB, that plays press man and the run, for one of the best Defenses the NFL.
Big difference.
This deal wouldn't even be considered, Keith.
What Deal?
Waynes for #17
“We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us.”
— Malcolm X
The Vikes would have to throw in a pick. Maybe next year’s 3rd round? That’s great value for the Giants.
Still not happening.
Your are getting a guy at #17 who is likely as good for your team as Waynes. He's younger, team has control of him for the next 5 year's on a cheap contract.
Waynes is a FA after this year, 5 or so year's older and is due a big contract. If that's not enough, they are also a team on a complete rebuild that will take a few year's to even be competitive again.
This trade would make absolutely no sense.
“We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us.”
— Malcolm X
The Vikes would have to throw in a pick. Maybe next year’s 3rd round? That’s great value for the Giants.
Still not happening.
Your are getting a guy at #17 who is likely as good for your team as Waynes. He's younger, team has control of him for the next 5 year's on a cheap contract.
Waynes is a FA after this year, 5 or so year's older and is due a big contract. If that's not enough, they are also a team on a complete rebuild that will take a few year's to even be competitive again.
This trade would make absolutely no sense.
The guy you draft @17 is not a day 1 starter. It will take that rookie a couple years to start along side Jenkins.
The Giants make the deal if they can work out an extension with Waynes and his agent. Waynes is in his prime at 26 years old.
They are not that far off. They have already been rebuilding their online and need help in D. They have a high pick which they will take an edge rusher.
DE and DB are premium positions on D. There is not one corner is this draft that is better than Waynes in 2019.
The Vikes would have to throw in a pick. Maybe next year’s 3rd round? That’s great value for the Giants.
Still not happening.
Your are getting a guy at #17 who is likely as good for your team as Waynes. He's younger, team has control of him for the next 5 year's on a cheap contract.
Waynes is a FA after this year, 5 or so year's older and is due a big contract. If that's not enough, they are also a team on a complete rebuild that will take a few year's to even be competitive again.
This trade would make absolutely no sense.
The guy you draft @17 is not a day 1 starter. It will take that rookie a couple years to start along side Jenkins.
The Giants make the deal if they can work out an extension with Waynes and his agent. Waynes is in his prime at 26 years old.
They are not that far off. They have already been rebuilding their online and need help in D. They have a high pick which they will take an edge rusher.
DE and DB are premium positions on D. There is not one corner is this draft that is better than Waynes in 2019.
This trade makes a lot of sense for the Giants.
Sorry, i don't agree.
They should of kept Collins than. He's superior in every way. I'm not saying they need to draft a CB at #17. I'm saying they will get just as valuable a member of their football team with that pick.
I don't agree th a they are close either. Shurmur is as lame duck HC as one can get.
We don't even know who their future QB is. They are a ways out. I will say they will have one of the worst records in the NFL again this year.
“We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us.”
— Malcolm X
The Vikes would have to throw in a pick. Maybe next year’s 3rd round? That’s great value for the Giants.
Still not happening.
Your are getting a guy at #17 who is likely as good for your team as Waynes. He's younger, team has control of him for the next 5 year's on a cheap contract.
Waynes is a FA after this year, 5 or so year's older and is due a big contract. If that's not enough, they are also a team on a complete rebuild that will take a few year's to even be competitive again.
This trade would make absolutely no sense.
The guy you draft @17 is not a day 1 starter. It will take that rookie a couple years to start along side Jenkins.
The Giants make the deal if they can work out an extension with Waynes and his agent. Waynes is in his prime at 26 years old.
They are not that far off. They have already been rebuilding their online and need help in D. They have a high pick which they will take an edge rusher.
DE and DB are premium positions on D. There is not one corner is this draft that is better than Waynes in 2019.
This trade makes a lot of sense for the Giants.
Let’s not act like Waynes is an elite corner. He’s solid as a CB2 on a good defense.
You aren’t going to give up a first rounder for a player who you hope to be better than at 17 who will be on a rookie deal for 4-5 seasons.
Your are getting a guy at #17 who is likely as good for your team as Waynes. He's younger, team has control of him for the next 5 year's on a cheap contract.
Waynes is a FA after this year, 5 or so year's older and is due a big contract. If that's not enough, they are also a team on a complete rebuild that will take a few year's to even be competitive again.
This trade would make absolutely no sense.
The guy you draft @17 is not a day 1 starter. It will take that rookie a couple years to start along side Jenkins.
The Giants make the deal if they can work out an extension with Waynes and his agent. Waynes is in his prime at 26 years old.
They are not that far off. They have already been rebuilding their online and need help in D. They have a high pick which they will take an edge rusher.
DE and DB are premium positions on D. There is not one corner is this draft that is better than Waynes in 2019.
This trade makes a lot of sense for the Giants.
Let’s not act like Waynes is an elite corner. He’s solid as a CB2 on a good defense.
You aren’t going to give up a first rounder for a player who you hope to be better than at 17 who will be on a rookie deal for 4-5 seasons.
I never suggested that Waynes was an elite corner.
I am simply demonstrating an idea for a trade offer and there is value when you parlay a very good starting DB, that can play press man and defend the run (not many corners can do both — which by the way, is a premium position in the NFL) with a draft pick or two.
You tell me which corner in this draft is better than Waynes in 2019?
You can’t, because there isn’t one.
The Giants just received Jabrill Peppers who is still in his rookie deal and shed salary by trading Oliver Vernon and Odell. They have the cash to extend Waynes.
The guy you draft @17 is not a day 1 starter. It will take that rookie a couple years to start along side Jenkins.
The Giants make the deal if they can work out an extension with Waynes and his agent. Waynes is in his prime at 26 years old.
They are not that far off. They have already been rebuilding their online and need help in D. They have a high pick which they will take an edge rusher.
DE and DB are premium positions on D. There is not one corner is this draft that is better than Waynes in 2019.
This trade makes a lot of sense for the Giants.
Let’s not act like Waynes is an elite corner. He’s solid as a CB2 on a good defense.
You aren’t going to give up a first rounder for a player who you hope to be better than at 17 who will be on a rookie deal for 4-5 seasons.
I never suggested that Waynes was an elite corner.
I am simply demonstrating an idea for a trade offer and there is value when you parlay a very good starting DB, that can play press man and defend the run (not many corners can do both — which by the way, is a premium position in the NFL) with a draft pick or two.
You tell me which corner in this draft is better than Waynes in 2019?
You can’t, because there isn’t one.
The Giants just received Jabrill Peppers who is still in his rookie deal and shed salary by trading Oliver Vernon and Odell. They have the cash to extend Waynes.
Not saying it’s a lock to happen, but it could.
1. How do you know there isn’t a better CB in this draft?
2. The 2020 free agent CB class is loaded. If you were the Giants and have the cash to spend, why would you trade an important asset to get Waynes when you can just wait a year and use that cash on a actual FA cornerback AND still have the draft pick?
Let’s not act like Waynes is an elite corner. He’s solid as a CB2 on a good defense.
You aren’t going to give up a first rounder for a player who you hope to be better than at 17 who will be on a rookie deal for 4-5 seasons.
I never suggested that Waynes was an elite corner.
I am simply demonstrating an idea for a trade offer and there is value when you parlay a very good starting DB, that can play press man and defend the run (not many corners can do both — which by the way, is a premium position in the NFL) with a draft pick or two.
You tell me which corner in this draft is better than Waynes in 2019?
You can’t, because there isn’t one.
The Giants just received Jabrill Peppers who is still in his rookie deal and shed salary by trading Oliver Vernon and Odell. They have the cash to extend Waynes.
Not saying it’s a lock to happen, but it could.
1. How do you know there isn’t a better CB in this draft?
2. The 2020 free agent CB class is loaded. If you were the Giants and have the cash to spend, why would you trade an important asset to get Waynes when you can just wait a year and use that cash on a actual FA cornerback AND still have the draft pick?
1. Just my opinion. You know that old saying. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.
2. Because I would get an important asset in return now.
I never suggested that Waynes was an elite corner.
I am simply demonstrating an idea for a trade offer and there is value when you parlay a very good starting DB, that can play press man and defend the run (not many corners can do both — which by the way, is a premium position in the NFL) with a draft pick or two.
You tell me which corner in this draft is better than Waynes in 2019?
You can’t, because there isn’t one.
The Giants just received Jabrill Peppers who is still in his rookie deal and shed salary by trading Oliver Vernon and Odell. They have the cash to extend Waynes.
Not saying it’s a lock to happen, but it could.
1. How do you know there isn’t a better CB in this draft?
2. The 2020 free agent CB class is loaded. If you were the Giants and have the cash to spend, why would you trade an important asset to get Waynes when you can just wait a year and use that cash on a actual FA cornerback AND still have the draft pick?
1. Just my opinion. You know that old saying. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.
2. Because I would get an important asset in return now.
Good discussion.
So, a team who is likely to have a rookie quarterback SITTING ON THE BENCH learning behind Eli for a year AND who got rid of one of the top playmakers in the league in exchange for a draft pick is going to go all in with Trae Waynes for 2019? Ok.
This is nonsensical.
There are corners who are better than Waynes who will be free agents in 2020. Why would you give up a FIRST ROUND PICK to have a year of Trae Waynes, and then essentially be spending money on a CB one way or another the following offseason?!
If the Giants don’t have a Trae Waynes-level CB in 2019, who fucking cares? They can get a top CB without giving up a pick at all prior to 2020 when they have a prayer of being good.
bubu dubu. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:16 pm
PA interviewed some Giants media guy today. Afterward, PA was convinced the Giants are going to snipe an o-lineman from the Vikings grasp.
I could see this. New QB and new Olineman perhaps?
“We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us.”
— Malcolm X
Here it is. Notice the time difference. Your post was clearly before mine!
I didn't want to waste my time on a the lowest of lowlifes who infect this place and go through the trouble of making a screenshot, getting it online, and posting it here. But since you sit and lie and make stuff up. And then come on to me through PM here you go. This should end your discussion.
Now STFU and quit stocking me. Here is your proof you lying POS. Quit swearing at people, threatening them, and trying to come on to me through PM.
cunningham wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:17 amHere it is. Notice the time difference. Your post was clearly before mine!
I didn't want to waste my time on a the lowest of lowlifes who infect this place and go through the trouble of making a screenshot, getting it online, and posting it here. But since you sit and lie and make stuff up. And then come on to me through PM here you go. This should end your discussion.
Now STFU and quit stocking me. Here is your proof you lying POS. Quit swearing at people, threatening them, and trying to come on to me through PM.
Your bit is sad.
"I know who you are" Why Herky? C'mon.
thinktank wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:15 am
I’m a successful consultant for some of the biggest and best companies in the world. I tell you about systems architecture, not the other way around.
JJDEMARAY wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:45 am
There is no chance the Vikings obtain #17 for Trae Waynes. If I'm a betting man, it will be for a low second Rd pick or high third Rd pick.
Rumors that a couple teams are interested, NYG and KC. Houston is in desperate need of a CB as well, and they have two low 2nd Rd picks.
If I am Rick Spielman, I try to trade our #50 pick for KC's #29 pick plus netting another pick. This allows us to land Lindstrom at #29.
GO VIKES!!
Straight up? Sure. No chance.
But never say never, JJ.
I mean, what if we also threw them back this year’s or next year’s 2nd round pick? Then what?
Word on the street is that the Giants had dinner with the possible heir apparent to Manning.
Keith_Morrison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:32 am
This trade would be good for both parties.
May need to throw in a late round pick too.
What say you?
I would do that immediately. Not because I don't like Waynes (I do) but because of the depth we have at CB.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
I didn't want to waste my time trying to get a screen shot to link here, but I also don't like being called a liar. There is the proof.
The guy is a total psycho. I still think he is another of Hate's bits and he learned after PMing me.
There are some seriously messed up individuals in this place. They should be banned.
Here it is again. Notice it is about 17 minutes before the post he posted. The guy is a total sham and liar.
:BOX:
Herky is usually a good dude but those roids really fuck with your mood.
Does either one realize they both look really bad?
I know. I have blocked him and I didn't even know he posted here until a bit here quoted him swearing and yelling at me. I tried to reply quickly, but then he started calling me a liar. I wanted to defend myself. I agree totally and I apologize for being sucked in. I believe that Hate/Simps/Dude are all one person and I suspect that Herky is his main bit. Maybe some know better. I just can't stand people that come through here and start posts like they do.
Usually it is a good thread and then those names come in and say, "You stupid #@$@#$."
When you PM someone and say you know who they are it is pretty insane in my view. I'll drop it though.
This thread is dumb to begin with so I doubt I did much damage... No one is giving us a 1st rounder for Waynes.
D_B_U wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:19 am
The argument between Cunningham and Herky is what ruined rubechat.
I dont know either of you, but cant we just quit with this "puffing our chest out crap".
Dont insult eachother.
If you disagree with someones opinion that is fine, but no need to attack them and then threaten eachother in messages.
Just squash it and move on... Lets focus on talking about football.
Or.. The admin can just ban them both and wait for their bits to come back.
To stay on topic, I like Waynes and dont want to trade him but pick 17 would be too much to pass up on.
That being said, I also would be fine with a second rounder at this point.
I still would prefer they dump Rudy's contract.
I didn't ruin Rubechat. I also don't start ANY posts here attacking the person. Don't lump me in with Hate/Simps/Dude/Herky. I responded to him quickly here because I blocked him and he said he would lay off the insults.
I'm trying to stop these bits from just swearing at people here and attacking the messenger. Jab loved me. He defended me when DH/HD would spam Rubechat. This new crap is worse though with just insulting people here.
I didn't ruin Rubechat. I also don't start ANY posts here attacking the person. Don't lump me in with Hate/Simps/Dude/Herky.
Can you point me to a post of mine where I attacked you? I've challenged and mocked your takes and I understand that I can come off as abrasive but I've never attacked you personally.
Personally I'm offended that you keep lumping me in with those guys.
I didn't ruin Rubechat. I also don't start ANY posts here attacking the person. Don't lump me in with Hate/Simps/Dude/Herky.
Can you point me to a post of mine where I attacked you? I've challenged and mocked your takes and I understand that I can come off as abrasive but I've never attacked you personally.
Personally I'm offended that you keep lumping me in with those guys.
You should be honored as you are a newbie here.... You seem to agree with those names whenever they post. Its been done since the beginning of these types of boards. Bits defending bits.
Just what you said makes me think you are one of their bits. It is the same thing with all the names... Just like Herky too.
Look this up for me. Find this. Do this. Do that.
First they call you an idiot or flat out swear at you. Then the bit comes in and posts a stupid
Then they come back and say prove it from some post made a week ago.
I have one name here that I have used since before 2003. I post lately more than usual because I am beyond frustrated with my team right now. I'm gonna vent about the team, but I won't swear at people or call them names. A few have dragged the darker side out of me, but it took a ton of prodding - as you saw with what Herky wrote to me. That is only one of his PMs he sent. The rest are just as lovely.
