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Vikings Sign OG Josh Kline (3-yrs/$15.75 million)

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Re: Vikings Sign OG Josh Kline (3-yrs/$15.75 million)

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Ash Ketchum wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:16 pm Again, the NFL isn’t as simple as “they were 8-7-1, and didn’t make any major free agent additions, therefore they will go 8-7-1 or 8-8 again.” Improvement from young players, bounce back seasons from key players and improved coaching and countless other variables are in play.

And sorry, regardless of the Keenum mobility angle, the OL played decent in 2017, especially in the run game, which is a big factor in the success in 2017. in 2018, Easton got hurt and Compton had to play a ton, which obviously wasn’t good. Elflein was coming off injury and either wasn’t completely healthy or regressed.

None of the top paid interior lineman went to the playoffs. The Super Bowl champion Patriots had a bunch of mid/late round guys up front.


The fact that you pontificate here is hilarious - especially posts like this one where you make it clear you are just a dummy. The Patriots example is just classic. Smallhands made you look like a fool so I will sit this one out. :lol:
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Re: Vikings Sign OG Josh Kline (3-yrs/$15.75 million)

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Small Hands wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:36 pm
Ash Ketchum wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:16 pm Again, the NFL isn’t as simple as “they were 8-7-1, and didn’t make any major free agent additions, therefore they will go 8-7-1 or 8-8 again.” Improvement from young players, bounce back seasons from key players and improved coaching and countless other variables are in play.

And sorry, regardless of the Keenum mobility angle, the OL played decent in 2017, especially in the run game, which is a big factor in the success in 2017. in 2018, Easton got hurt and Compton had to play a ton, which obviously wasn’t good. Elflein was coming off injury and either wasn’t completely healthy or regressed.

None of the top paid interior lineman went to the playoffs. The Super Bowl champion Patriots had a bunch of mid/late round guys up front.

They also have a QB that gets rid of the ball extremely fast, and possibly the best OLine coach in league history (Dante Scarnecchia).
Speilman really screwed up when he didn't find a replacement for Berger last offseason. He was actually a good run blocker. Elf was playing at a pro bowl level his rookie year too. Easton was avg at best. Reiff had a career season going. He sustained a injury towards the end of the year, and hasn't been the same since. A lot has to go right for it to be SB level. Reiff has to bounce back, Elf has to bounce back, O'Neil has to avoid the dreaded sophmore slump, they need to draft a plug and play stud LG, and Kline needs to bounce back as well. That's a ton of luck that needs to be on our side.
Depth creates luck.

Another issue missing is the Vikings never really put together a solid offensive leadership last season. Tony Sparano died. The offensive coordinator they hired that people glowed about was a bust and was justifiably fired mid-season. And they have a defensive guy as their head coach.

Offensively they get to start from scratch and I think the fact that they are doing something is a great sign.
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Re: Vikings Sign OG Josh Kline (3-yrs/$15.75 million)

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mlhouse wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:52 pm
Small Hands wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:36 pm
Ash Ketchum wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:16 pm Again, the NFL isn’t as simple as “they were 8-7-1, and didn’t make any major free agent additions, therefore they will go 8-7-1 or 8-8 again.” Improvement from young players, bounce back seasons from key players and improved coaching and countless other variables are in play.

And sorry, regardless of the Keenum mobility angle, the OL played decent in 2017, especially in the run game, which is a big factor in the success in 2017. in 2018, Easton got hurt and Compton had to play a ton, which obviously wasn’t good. Elflein was coming off injury and either wasn’t completely healthy or regressed.

None of the top paid interior lineman went to the playoffs. The Super Bowl champion Patriots had a bunch of mid/late round guys up front.

They also have a QB that gets rid of the ball extremely fast, and possibly the best OLine coach in league history (Dante Scarnecchia).
Speilman really screwed up when he didn't find a replacement for Berger last offseason. He was actually a good run blocker. Elf was playing at a pro bowl level his rookie year too. Easton was avg at best. Reiff had a career season going. He sustained a injury towards the end of the year, and hasn't been the same since. A lot has to go right for it to be SB level. Reiff has to bounce back, Elf has to bounce back, O'Neil has to avoid the dreaded sophmore slump, they need to draft a plug and play stud LG, and Kline needs to bounce back as well. That's a ton of luck that needs to be on our side.
Depth creates luck.

Another issue missing is the Vikings never really put together a solid offensive leadership last season. Tony Sparano died. The offensive coordinator they hired that people glowed about was a bust and was justifiably fired mid-season. And they have a defensive guy as their head coach.

Offensively they get to start from scratch and I think the fact that they are doing something is a great sign.
Thats a great point about the OC that no one really talks about.

The amount of preparation and scheming in the NFL is far beyond any other sport, especially on offense.

Having an offensive coordinator who was so bad that he didn’t even last the season and then undergoing a change midseason wasn’t a recipe for success.

Hopefully the Stefanski/Kubiak duo can establish their plans early on and the team offense can thrive with more stability as the season progresses.
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Re: Vikings Sign OG Josh Kline (3-yrs/$15.75 million)

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From Tommason twitter:

Some additional information on #Vikings Josh Kline contract. Cap number expected to be a little over $3 million. He got a $4M signing bonus & $7.25M is guaranteed. Base salaries expected to be $1.45M for 2019 $4.4M for 2020 & $4.75M for 2021. And there are workout, roster bonuses

Not a bad deal really.... Numbers sounded large at first but not so bad in reality.
GM Spielman:
  • Record 62-48-2 (.559 winning %)
  • Playoffs 1-3
  • 7 years - reached playoffs 3 times.
  • Winner of the North 2 of last 4 years
Zimmer is 48-33-1
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Re: Vikings Sign OG Josh Kline (3-yrs/$15.75 million)

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twgerber wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:35 am From Tommason twitter:

Some additional information on #Vikings Josh Kline contract. Cap number expected to be a little over $3 million. He got a $4M signing bonus & $7.25M is guaranteed. Base salaries expected to be $1.45M for 2019 $4.4M for 2020 & $4.75M for 2021. And there are workout, roster bonuses

Not a bad deal really.... Numbers sounded large at first but not so bad in reality.
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Ash Ketchum wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:48 am
twgerber wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:35 am From Tommason twitter:

Some additional information on #Vikings Josh Kline contract. Cap number expected to be a little over $3 million. He got a $4M signing bonus & $7.25M is guaranteed. Base salaries expected to be $1.45M for 2019 $4.4M for 2020 & $4.75M for 2021. And there are workout, roster bonuses

Not a bad deal really.... Numbers sounded large at first but not so bad in reality.
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agreed. PFF has him as an average guard (for what it's worth). It's been a long time since we had an average guard (Berger and during that time LG was a mess). An average guard costs that much.
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Re: Vikings Sign OG Josh Kline (3-yrs/$15.75 million)

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Da Gas Man wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:50 am
Ash Ketchum wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:48 am
twgerber wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:35 am From Tommason twitter:

Some additional information on #Vikings Josh Kline contract. Cap number expected to be a little over $3 million. He got a $4M signing bonus & $7.25M is guaranteed. Base salaries expected to be $1.45M for 2019 $4.4M for 2020 & $4.75M for 2021. And there are workout, roster bonuses

Not a bad deal really.... Numbers sounded large at first but not so bad in reality.
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agreed. PFF has him as an average guard (for what it's worth). It's been a long time since we had an average guard (Berger and during that time LG was a mess). An average guard costs that much.
Crazy money being passed around, but when so many teams have quarterbacks on their rookie contracts they have money to spend elsewhere.
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Re: Vikings Sign OG Josh Kline (3-yrs/$15.75 million)

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cunningham wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:01 am
Da Gas Man wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:50 am
Ash Ketchum wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:48 am

:thumbsup:
agreed. PFF has him as an average guard (for what it's worth). It's been a long time since we had an average guard (Berger and during that time LG was a mess). An average guard costs that much.
Crazy money being passed around, but when so many teams have quarterbacks on their rookie contracts they have money to spend elsewhere.
That's true. Truth is the stats imply that the best odds of winning a SB are with a rookie contract QB or Tom Brady (reduced salary to be paid at later date).

I'm not too worried about Cousins's contract as it will be 12th highest in the league real soon. And the cap is going up. I'm more concerned that he plays better.
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Re: Vikings Sign OG Josh Kline (3-yrs/$15.75 million)

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Great article with breakdown.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/3/24 ... ight-guard


What Stands Out About Kline
After watching both Houston games last year, and the Eagles game - two of the better defensive fronts in the league - one thing stands out about Kline: he doesn’t lose one on one match-ups much, if at all. Most of the time he looks like a big, strong guy holding his own against some of the best in the league. I didn’t notice his guy making any plays, nor did I ever get the sense that he was overwhelmed. Most of the time he seemed in control.

He also appeared to look for work when uncovered or he sensed more pressure coming from the guy next to him and shifted to help out. He has a good sense on zone blocking of when to release from his initial combination block and go to the next level.
If I had to criticize Kline’s play, I’d say that on a couple occasions he was holding - some called, some not - with his arm around the defender to prevent him getting past. A few times he appeared to give a little too much ground initially in pass protection. And while he likes to look for work as a downfield blocker, he can have some trouble securing open field blocks at times. Lastly, sometimes his cut blocks on the backside of the play were not that great. But these are all relatively minor issues.
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Re: Vikings Sign OG Josh Kline (3-yrs/$15.75 million)

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Hector wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:25 am Great article with breakdown.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2019/3/24 ... ight-guard


What Stands Out About Kline
After watching both Houston games last year, and the Eagles game - two of the better defensive fronts in the league - one thing stands out about Kline: he doesn’t lose one on one match-ups much, if at all. Most of the time he looks like a big, strong guy holding his own against some of the best in the league. I didn’t notice his guy making any plays, nor did I ever get the sense that he was overwhelmed. Most of the time he seemed in control.

He also appeared to look for work when uncovered or he sensed more pressure coming from the guy next to him and shifted to help out. He has a good sense on zone blocking of when to release from his initial combination block and go to the next level.
If I had to criticize Kline’s play, I’d say that on a couple occasions he was holding - some called, some not - with his arm around the defender to prevent him getting past. A few times he appeared to give a little too much ground initially in pass protection. And while he likes to look for work as a downfield blocker, he can have some trouble securing open field blocks at times. Lastly, sometimes his cut blocks on the backside of the play were not that great. But these are all relatively minor issues.
It won’t be hard for him to be an improvement over Compton. That’s a net gain even if Kline isn’t great.

If O’Neill can take a step forward, if Elflein can bounce back and be healthy, and they can somehow find another good starter in the draft, it’s going to be better up front.

Improvement over what we saw last year doesn’t need to be by way of huge, earth shattering moves.
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