Barr sits out again...

[Hornets]

Would like to see him in action vs Da Bears....

[beetlebum71]

Would like to see him in action vs Da Bears....

Having him healthy to follow Cohen around would be nice, but they'll survive if he can't go. Eric Wilson is a pretty good player.

[Dale Doback]

If he can't get healthy after all of this time off, he ain't ever gonna be healthy...

[beetlebum71]

If he can't get healthy after all of this time off, he ain't ever gonna be healthy...

Dalvin missed more than a month with a hamstring injury. They're tough to deal with.

[twgerber]

If he can't get healthy after all of this time off, he ain't ever gonna be healthy...

You must be on the receiving end of your emoticon based on that comment

[Earl Camembert]

He's resting for his new contract with another team most likely.

[HeHateMe]

He's resting for his new contract with another team most likely.

At this point.... so be it. I would have traded him prior to the draft.

[Ash Ketchum]

If he can't get healthy after all of this time off, he ain't ever gonna be healthy...

This is just illogical.

[DuffMan]

Would like to see him in action vs Da Bears....

I've been waiting to see him in action all season.

[-Jaymo-]

I've been waiting to see him in action all season.

You might want to try actually watching the games. Other than the Rams game, he’s been pretty solid.

[HeHateMe]

Barr practicing today.

[Dale Doback]

If he can't get healthy after all of this time off, he ain't ever gonna be healthy...

Dalvin missed more than a month with a hamstring injury. They're tough to deal with.

Excuses...


Rub some dirt on it and go do what you're being paid to do.

[DuffMan]

I've been waiting to see him in action all season.

You might want to try actually watching the games. Other than the Rams game, he’s been pretty solid.

On a per game basis he's down in essentially every stat category in the games he's played this year over previous years. The only time you ever see him on the screen is when he's getting burned (not that he's to blame for his assignments, but still...).

"Solid" is subjective. We took him with a top ten draft pick ahead of Aaron Donald, and all reports are he wants to be paid like a top linebacker. I expected more from him this year, and I really hope you would have too. In all reality, his absence hasn't been noticeable at all.

[Ash Ketchum]

I've been waiting to see him in action all season.

You might want to try actually watching the games. Other than the Rams game, he’s been pretty solid.

On a per game basis he's down in essentially every stat category in the games he's played this year over previous years. The only time you ever see him on the screen is when he's getting burned (not that he's to blame for his assignments, but still...).

"Solid" is subjective. We took him with a top ten draft pick ahead of Aaron Donald, and all reports are he wants to be paid like a top linebacker. I expected more from him this year, and I really hope you would have too. In all reality, his absence hasn't been noticeable at all.

Which stats?

Do they keep track of the things a typical SLB does per game? Or are you going by tackles, sacks and INT?

Yes, Barr doesn’t get a lot of those stats.

[DuffMan]

Which stats?

Do they keep track of the things a typical SLB does per game? Or are you going by tackles, sacks and INT?

Yes, Barr doesn’t get a lot of those stats.

You know that's what I mean.

I understand that there aren't very many quantifiable metrics we can look at to tell the whole story, and I've admitted before that some of his value might not be quantifiable.

My point is and has always been that right now I'm not seeing anything that says we definitely need to spend top tier money to keep him next year. He's been out for the last two games, and while I prefer he plays, in neither game was there a moment where it stood out that he was missing.

[Thrillkill]

Stil can't believe they didn't trade him. I 100% thought they would.

[Ash Ketchum]

Which stats?

Do they keep track of the things a typical SLB does per game? Or are you going by tackles, sacks and INT?

Yes, Barr doesn’t get a lot of those stats.

You know that's what I mean.

I understand that there aren't very many quantifiable metrics we can look at to tell the whole story, and I've admitted before that some of his value might not be quantifiable.

My point is and has always been that right now I'm not seeing anything that says we definitely need to spend top tier money to keep him next year. He's been out for the last two games, and while I prefer he plays, in neither game was there a moment where it stood out that he was missing.

I still think he’s very valuable to this team and incredibly underrated by this fan base. I don’t have any numbers to back it up, and that’s the issue.

It’ll probably the too expensive to keep him though, and I don’t disagree that a replacement could probably be found.

[twgerber]

Which stats?

Do they keep track of the things a typical SLB does per game? Or are you going by tackles, sacks and INT?

Yes, Barr doesn’t get a lot of those stats.

You know that's what I mean.

I understand that there aren't very many quantifiable metrics we can look at to tell the whole story, and I've admitted before that some of his value might not be quantifiable.

My point is and has always been that right now I'm not seeing anything that says we definitely need to spend top tier money to keep him next year. He's been out for the last two games, and while I prefer he plays, in neither game was there a moment where it stood out that he was missing.

I still think he’s very valuable to this team and incredibly underrated by this fan base. I don’t have any numbers to back it up, and that’s the issue.

It’ll probably the too expensive to keep him though, and I don’t disagree that a replacement could probably be found.

Ash nails it again.

[beetlebum71]

He practiced today.

[Beef Supreme]

He’s good, but ever since Zimmer went away from the double-A gap pressure look, he just hasn’t made a ton of splash plays, so he gets overlooked.

I think he helps our defense, but you cannot pay top playmaking $$$ to a guy who doesn’t make plays. You just can’t.

I think part of the reason there’s contract drama is because Barr has the skills to be an impact player, he’s just not used in a role that puts him in that position very often. Barr knows this and wants to be paid like a play-maker.

Kind of a crappy situation.

[Angry Waters]

Which stats?

Do they keep track of the things a typical SLB does per game? Or are you going by tackles, sacks and INT?

Yes, Barr doesn’t get a lot of those stats.

You know that's what I mean.

I understand that there aren't very many quantifiable metrics we can look at to tell the whole story, and I've admitted before that some of his value might not be quantifiable.

My point is and has always been that right now I'm not seeing anything that says we definitely need to spend top tier money to keep him next year. He's been out for the last two games, and while I prefer he plays, in neither game was there a moment where it stood out that he was missing.

I still think he’s very valuable to this team and incredibly underrated by this fan base. I don’t have any numbers to back it up, and that’s the issue.

It’ll probably the too expensive to keep him though, and I don’t disagree that a replacement could probably be found.

I agree with this. He may be a "splash" player in a system that doesn't allow him to make many splash plays. Think D. Hunter at LSU. 4 1/2 career sacks in college? With that frame and motor, it almost seems like he should've been able to get that in a single game! I'm being a bit facetious, but you get the point. If that's the case, then they're better off paying a different LB 2 mil per season, instead of 12 and using the difference to pay Richardson or a FA guard. We did look pretty good last week without him. Certainly a good player, though. I would expect him to have a very season next year if he escapes via FA. I still remember his rookie season--I thought there was a potential "Von Miller" there. Maybe he goes to Oakland and fills the Mack void? I think he's got that potential in him.

[Beef Supreme]

I honestly thought we’d move him to rush end, at least on passing downs.

[DuffMan]

I honestly thought we’d move him to rush end, at least on passing downs.

It seems like every year there's been some hype about the Vikings finally "unleashing" Barr, but it hasn't really happened. I feel like obviously there's potential there, but if it's just a matter of how they're using him then I think there's a better way to spend the money.

In all fairness, I was 100% on board with them extending him this prior offseason and posted as much here (see below). In hindsight, I think I would have been wrong considering how well Diggs and Hunter have played.

I suspect the front office might have been looking to see what he does this year to decide how much they need to spend on him.

This might be against the grain, but I think Barr's contract is their next priority. I still think Smith is the best player on the defense, but Barr's skillset would be difficult to replace and he's a very key component to what the defense is able to do.

Kendricks obviously is key to the defense as well. I would expect that Kendricks and Barr extensions will be the priority this offseason after they figure out the QB position. The rest will fall into place after that's figured out.

I'm not complaining about the Diggs signing, but I'm more interested in what happens with Barr. There's not nearly as much depth at linebacker as there is at the WR spot, so LB becomes more of a priority next year than WR would have if they don't sign Barr to an extension.

I hope the Diggs extension doesn't come at the expense of losing Barr.

[Angry Waters]

I honestly thought we’d move him to rush end, at least on passing downs.

The problem with that is you already have elite edge rushers in Griff and Hunter. And that's a good problem.

[Beef Supreme]

I honestly thought we’d move him to rush end, at least on passing downs.

The problem with that is you already have elite edge rushers in Griff and Hunter. And that's a good problem.

Yeah, this was before I knew what we had in hunter. It was when we had Robison, who often loved inside on passing downs.

But yeah.

[Angry Waters]

Beef,
I do get where you're coming from. I vividly remember Barr's rookie season where we saw vast potential. Sort of similar to C. Patterson's rookie year--remember how explosive he was during the later part of that season? Well, that faded fast... If I have to handicap things, I'd put it at about 5% that Barr is on this roster next year.

[Tmoney]

he has all the ability to take over. He just loafs. He may have different roles and responsibilities at times. but when a play is there for him to make he ends up with Josh Allen dry jumping him all over US Bank Stadium.

There isn't a noticeable difference with him out of the game. So I dont think you can call him a "difference maker" and he should not be paid like one.

Unless he starts to play like he can, and we have seen.

[Hector]

He’s good, but ever since Zimmer went away from the double-A gap pressure look, he just hasn’t made a ton of splash plays, so he gets overlooked.

I think he helps our defense, but you cannot pay top playmaking $$$ to a guy who doesn’t make plays. You just can’t.

I think part of the reason there’s contract drama is because Barr has the skills to be an impact player, he’s just not used in a role that puts him in that position very often. Barr knows this and wants to be paid like a play-maker.

Kind of a crappy situation.

They ran two monster front sets with Barr in the 9tech against Green Bay and one lead to a sack and the other was an hurried incompletion and I haven't seen it since...I don't get it. They could see what the Vikings we're doing and still couldn't stop it, I would use it more myself.

[-Jaymo-]

Keep telling yourself this team doesn’t need Barr.

[PurpleFloyd]

Keep telling yourself this team doesn’t need Barr.

We have him now. How much is that helping us?