Revisionist History- Suck for Luck related

[vikesbumeout]

Would we had been better off if we had?

[Bleeds Purple]

The Vikings tried. Indy 2 - 14, Minnesota 3 - 13. They tried, but fucked up and beat the Redskins at the end of the season.

[vikesbumeout]

The Vikings tried. Indy 2 - 14, Minnesota 3 - 13. They tried, but fucked up and beat the Redskins at the end of the season.

Right that last game.

At the time i believed you try to win every game. But revisionist history ......we should probably have just benched our starters.

[D_B_U]

The Vikings tried. Indy 2 - 14, Minnesota 3 - 13. They tried, but fucked up and beat the Redskins at the end of the season.

Right that last game.

At the time i believed you try to win every game. But revisionist history ......we should probably have just benched our starters.

I mean our starters had gotten us to 2-13, so actually playing them was probably the best way to get a loss.

[Oriole81]

Here's the thing, good luck telling Joe Webb to tank his one shot at showing the league that he can be an NFL QB, so that the team can get a better draft pick to draft his replacement.

That's why "tanking" can only take you so far, because you can't account for the fact that these are real people fighting for their livelihood, whether its with the current team or not.

Webb got a unique shot to come in and showcase what he can do as a QB, and led 3 TD drives as well as a clutch end of game go ahead TD. You can't hold that against him.

[HeHateMe]

Yes, would have been nice. And this was talked about for several years.

[Tmoney]

Here's the thing, good luck telling Joe Webb to tank his one shot at showing the league that he can be an NFL QB, so that the team can get a better draft pick to draft his replacement.

That's why "tanking" can only take you so far, because you can't account for the fact that these are real people fighting for their livelihood, whether its with the current team or not.

Webb got a unique shot to come in and showcase what he can do as a QB, and led 3 TD drives as well as a clutch end of game go ahead TD. You can't hold that against him.

This is the thing people dont grasp.

Try to get players and coaches to tank and ruin their reputations for a team they may or may not be on next year.

Playing for jobs and contracts to take care of their families. But people think they will lose on purpose to the team can draft Andrew Luck, while they are on a totally different team, or worse, out of the league.

[Hornets]

Hasn't Luck been hurt much of his career?

[salamander]

Would we had been better off if we had?

Indy should've sat Luck for two more years and kept acquiring those high draft picks while letting Luck learn.
I'm not a big fan of just throwing your rookie QB to the fire and see if they sink or swim.

[vikesbumeout]

Here's the thing, good luck telling Joe Webb to tank his one shot at showing the league that he can be an NFL QB, so that the team can get a better draft pick to draft his replacement.

That's why "tanking" can only take you so far, because you can't account for the fact that these are real people fighting for their livelihood, whether its with the current team or not.

Webb got a unique shot to come in and showcase what he can do as a QB, and led 3 TD drives as well as a clutch end of game go ahead TD. You can't hold that against him.

right..........Its hard to "tank" when it can affect players careers or pocket books. But in your example, we found out over the long term that Web really was NOT a good QB.

[vikesbumeout]

The Vikings tried. Indy 2 - 14, Minnesota 3 - 13. They tried, but fucked up and beat the Redskins at the end of the season.

Right that last game.

At the time i believed you try to win every game. But revisionist history ......we should probably have just benched our starters.

I mean our starters had gotten us to 2-13, so actually playing them was probably the best way to get a loss.

3-13?.............with a coach named Leslie?

[Oriole81]

Here's the thing, good luck telling Joe Webb to tank his one shot at showing the league that he can be an NFL QB, so that the team can get a better draft pick to draft his replacement.

That's why "tanking" can only take you so far, because you can't account for the fact that these are real people fighting for their livelihood, whether its with the current team or not.

Webb got a unique shot to come in and showcase what he can do as a QB, and led 3 TD drives as well as a clutch end of game go ahead TD. You can't hold that against him.

right..........Its hard to "tank" when it can affect players careers or pocket books. But in your example, we found out over the long term that Web really was NOT a good QB.

you're thinking of things from the team's standpoint, you have to think of this from the player's standpoint for this to make sense.
a team can in theory have a goal of "tanking" because it may provide a better long term solution, but good luck convincing the players to go along fully if that doesn't line up with what's best for them as an individual, and this game is actually a perfect example of.

I'm sure the team didn't see Joe Webb as the QB of the future and they were only playing him because Ponder got hurt earlier and they had to finish up the game, but Joe Webb certainly saw himself as an NFL QB and was going to do everything he could out of this limited opportunity, to show the world that he belongs. He doesn't care if it hurts the Vikings draft chances, he cares about him taking advantage of this unique opportunity to lead a team, and even if it doesn't convince the Vikings that he's their QB of the future, he can convince some other team that he deserves their time and money.

And history may not show that he's a good QB in a conventional sense, but history does show that the guy is still in the league, and partly because he was able to use this opportunity to show that he has at least some semblance of QB ability to go with his gadget play capabilities. Joe Webb has made alot of money off of this game, even if it never led to him becoming a starting NFL QAB.

Does that make my point clearer? An organization can only do so much to promote a "tank," until they realize that players are not going to support the long term interests of the team over the players' own interests in survival.

[salamander]

Here's the thing, good luck telling Joe Webb to tank his one shot at showing the league that he can be an NFL QB, so that the team can get a better draft pick to draft his replacement.

That's why "tanking" can only take you so far, because you can't account for the fact that these are real people fighting for their livelihood, whether its with the current team or not.

Webb got a unique shot to come in and showcase what he can do as a QB, and led 3 TD drives as well as a clutch end of game go ahead TD. You can't hold that against him.

right..........Its hard to "tank" when it can affect players careers or pocket books. But in your example, we found out over the long term that Web really was NOT a good QB.

We knew that at the time. People were just blinded by the sh*tty QB's we had been rolling out there.

[mlhouse]

Here's the thing, good luck telling Joe Webb to tank his one shot at showing the league that he can be an NFL QB, so that the team can get a better draft pick to draft his replacement.

That's why "tanking" can only take you so far, because you can't account for the fact that these are real people fighting for their livelihood, whether its with the current team or not.

Webb got a unique shot to come in and showcase what he can do as a QB, and led 3 TD drives as well as a clutch end of game go ahead TD. You can't hold that against him.

True, but that isn't anything different than in the NBA.

As the value of quarterbacks goes up, we will start to see more obvious tanking in the NFL.

[Oriole81]

Here's the thing, good luck telling Joe Webb to tank his one shot at showing the league that he can be an NFL QB, so that the team can get a better draft pick to draft his replacement.

That's why "tanking" can only take you so far, because you can't account for the fact that these are real people fighting for their livelihood, whether its with the current team or not.

Webb got a unique shot to come in and showcase what he can do as a QB, and led 3 TD drives as well as a clutch end of game go ahead TD. You can't hold that against him.

True, but that isn't anything different than in the NBA.

As the value of quarterbacks goes up, we will start to see more obvious tanking in the NFL.

I'm not disagreeing with that in theory, but I do think it is so much harder to "tank" in the NFL because there are so many players on a team, and most are constantly fighting to stay in the league. The average lifespan for NFL players is so small that a team can't convince most of the players to sacrifice their own success when they don't have long term job security already established.

Remember that this thread was started saying we SHOULD have tanked that game in order to get Luck, I'm saying that wasn't possible based on the circumstances. No way people were going to convince Joe Webb to tank that game.

[Beef Supreme]

Luck is certainly better than the guy we ended up with, but missing out on him is not exactly the curse of the bambino or anything.

He’s been pretty good at times, but has been hurt a lot and turns the ball over too much.


He’s like an injury prone Kirk cousins. The franchise will survive missing out on him.

[RubeTube]

I believe the Colts still would of ended up with the #1 pick but we would of landed #2.

I wonder if Spielman would of traded RG3 like the Rams did? My guess is he would have.