Embarrassing the Vikings Couldn’t get more out of Patterson

[Tuck ya in]

HAHAHAHA this thread. Hilarious. People can't complain about the win yesterday so they decide to complain about a guy who has no real position and on his third team. He has some value now only because of kick off rule changes but not a lot of value.

So damn true, unbelievable...

[PurpleHaze]

HAHAHAHA this thread. Hilarious. People can't complain about the win yesterday so they decide to complain about a guy who has no real position and on his third team. He has some value now only because of kick off rule changes but not a lot of value.

I’m not 12 years old. Why would anyone be happy about the win?

This team has no shot in the playoffs.

This is none other than "the new tmg guy".

Man your trolling has always sucked, ALWAYS!

[Simpson Get Lifted]

HAHAHAHA this thread. Hilarious. People can't complain about the win yesterday so they decide to complain about a guy who has no real position and on his third team. He has some value now only because of kick off rule changes but not a lot of value.

I’m not 12 years old. Why would anyone be happy about the win?

This team has no shot in the playoffs.

Do you generally watch sports hoping your team loses? That's an odd way to live life.

[-VikingsTw-]

If this thread is in reference of using him at RB it wouldn't have mattered. He may have had some nice runs but the RBlocking of the offensive line wasn't very good during his tenure with Minnesota. It wasn't good when we had McKinnon till his last year with us. It's improving some, it's better now, but it was never consistent a few years ago, sure he would have some big runs but on an average carry in a heavy workload he would have struggled to find space.

As far as long term success at RB, that's still to be seen. Is he a guy that can keep up his tough running style if you use him 20 times a game while remaining healthy? IDK but for a fill in he's proven he can get the job done if like most RB's they get the blocking needed. RB's are also relied on to pick up the blitz, could he do that?

I was a huge fan of drafting Patterson, he was at the top of my wish list but his lack of growth or wanting to be a WR really hampered his career.

For the right price he's a good piece, like how NE is using him but would they really use him that much at RB if their other guys are healthy? I doubt it.

One thing is for sure Patterson has always been elite with the ball in his hands, he needs space to make things happens and his lack of progress at the WR position really holds him back from full potential. The way Patterson thinks based on his interviews is unlike a WR, he's into kick returns, bubble screens and handoffs. It could work in the right situation but when you put him in the backfield on a consistent basis he's gonna have develop skills I'm not sure he's fond of but we won't know until or if he gets a heavy load.

[Ash Ketchum]

The irony is that CP is exactly the type of player this 2018 Vikings offense could use. With a moveable chess piece on offense who is capable of going the distance anytime he touches the ball, this offense would go from decent to lethal.

Ever since he was drafted and used as such in his rookie year, Patterson has been a very dangerous weapon in that role.

The problem was that the Vikings didn't have the offensive weapons in place to rely on him in that role. He was a first rounder and so the pressure was there to try to turn him into a real every-down WR, which he obviously isn't good at. Patterson's rookie season was the year we had Jennings, Simpson and Wright as the WRs ahead of CP, and the years after were lean at WR until Diggs and Thielen really came into their own.

With this offense, with the dynamic duo at WR in place to handle all the actual route running, CP would be free to assume that gadget role he's so good at.

Not mad at the front office for it. CP had a nice game, but he isn't exactly ripping the NFL up. He's a nice bit piece for a good offense and a dangerous kick returner (in an era where that's not all that useful), but not much more.

[-Jaymo-]

4 carries - 11 yds
0 receptions


Man, if only the Vikings could find that production somewhere.

[sly]

I don't get this thread. Did Patterson rip it up for another team? I checked his current stats with NE and they are not that good. So is it embarrassing for NE and Brady not to get more out of Patterson? Anyway it feels like we are getting trolled. I would like to propose we change this forum to troll chat. It makes post like this more logical.

[beetlebum71]

44 touches for 267 yards and 3 scores. Decent, but hardly worth all this consternation. As soon as Michel came back, he went back to the bench. He's an incredible kick returner, but nothing more than that. He's also almost 28 years old. He's not going to get any better.

[PurpleHaze]

The most embarrassing thing about this thread is 64degreewedge is pretending to be a Viking fan.

[bubu dubu.]

wtf is this thread? Patterson was at his best with the Vikings.

If anything, the Vikings were the one team he has been on that actually made something of him.

[CasualObserverGuy]

I said use him at RB immediately.... and I wasn't the only one.

Many of us said it... The Black Norsemen (Peterson & Patterson) would have been as weaponized as Ingram-Kamara.

It's okay though, this team is still trending the right way after cutting ties with Peterson.

[Qman65]

This team is #NotSmart. You draft a guy knowing he’s not a traditional WR but then try to use him like one.

Vikings fans thinks he’s a bust but he’s already doubled the average NFL career. Best KR average in league history. Versatile but positionless.

500 yards and 7tds in 8 games his rookie year but the Vikings were hell bent on giving time to qbs that clearly have no future in the league.

Think about it. Patterson is a bellichick guy.

Guess what? They tried him at RB, did they give up to quickly? Maybe, but the jury's still out.

[DonaldDouchebag]

He’s an all-time Vikings bust - probably their worst draft day decision ever.

[twgerber]

He’s an all-time Vikings bust - probably their worst draft day decision ever.

Not even close TBH

[Beef Supreme]

He’s an all-time Vikings bust - probably their worst draft day decision ever.

Preposterous.

[-Jaymo-]

5 carries for 10 yards.

1 reception for -1 yards.


Man, how did we let this guy go?

[DonaldDouchebag]

He’s an all-time Vikings bust - probably their worst draft day decision ever.

Preposterous.

They traded 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th round picks to move up and get a glorified kick returner.

[Beef Supreme]

He’s an all-time Vikings bust - probably their worst draft day decision ever.

Preposterous.

They traded 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th round picks to move up and get a glorified kick returner.

Matt Kalil
Troy Williamson
Erasmus James
Demetrius Underwood

All way worse than the Patterson pick.

[PurpleHaze]

He’s an all-time Vikings bust - probably their worst draft day decision ever.

Preposterous.

They traded 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th round picks to move up and get a glorified kick returner.

They thought they were getting a dynamic player. They went big and ultimately it didn't turn out, just like 90% of drafted players.

Almost every team has dozens of draft blunders, so really who gives a shit, I mean seriously.....

[minnemike]

Im looking at his stats with the Pats and they arent even good. He has way less receiving yardage than he got with MN on average. He does have 150 rushing yards so far, but most of that was with Michel out with injury. The numbers are still pretty lame if not worse as far as efficiency.

Whoever started this thread is an idiot.

[RubeTube]

Im looking at his stats with the Pats and they arent even good. He has way less receiving yardage than he got with MN on average. He does have 150 rushing yards so far, but most of that was with Michel out with injury. The numbers are still pretty lame if not worse as far as efficiency.

Whoever started this thread is an idiot.

This was knee jerk after Pats had to use him with all the injuries against a poor Packers D.

He's done virtually nothing all year.

[flexbuffchest]

Looks like Patterson is very adept at getting more.

[64DegreeWedge]

Zimmer said the same thing lmfao.

Idiots.

[bombers3shooter]

Im looking at his stats with the Pats and they arent even good. He has way less receiving yardage than he got with MN on average. He does have 150 rushing yards so far, but most of that was with Michel out with injury. The numbers are still pretty lame if not worse as far as efficiency.

Whoever started this thread is an idiot.

This was knee jerk after Pats had to use him with all the injuries against a poor Packers D.

He's done virtually nothing all year.

True, but Bill picks these guys up with tremendous physical abilities because your team has to gameplan for him. Any given week if the defense gives them a look that is favorable they will feed Patterson again. Gronk, White, Edelman, Gordon, Patterson, Hogan, Dorsett, Allen, Michel, and now Burkhead is back. Not all are flashy but all have plays and their roles in the system and Bill and Tom make sure each is honored or if you give them a look they like each can punish you.

[hategreenticemase]

Im looking at his stats with the Pats and they arent even good. He has way less receiving yardage than he got with MN on average. He does have 150 rushing yards so far, but most of that was with Michel out with injury. The numbers are still pretty lame if not worse as far as efficiency.

Whoever started this thread is an idiot.

This was knee jerk after Pats had to use him with all the injuries against a poor Packers D.

He's done virtually nothing all year.

True, but Bill picks these guys up with tremendous physical abilities because your team has to gameplan for him. Any given week if the defense gives them a look that is favorable they will feed Patterson again. Gronk, White, Edelman, Gordon, Patterson, Hogan, Dorsett, Allen, Michel, and now Burkhead is back. Not all are flashy but all have plays and their roles in the system and Bill and Tom make sure each is honored or if you give them a look they like each can punish you.

Exactly. This thread is comical. He hasnt been used much must equal he sucks. Golly, hard to believe a team with the best TE to ever play the game, two top receivers and a couple good backs dont rely heavily on Corduroy Jeans.

When they needed him, he showed he can be (in right usage) a weapon. I wont speak for anyone else but my point has always been this - was he a legit number one draft pick? Of course not - another epic Spielman fail. Was he a guy thrown away for nothing who could have provided some good value? Absolutely. As bomber pointed out - just like Harvin, a guy like this HAS to be accounted for. He can be valuable as much as a fake as touching the ball. We saw what he was capable of pre Norv. He did some good things, especially at rb. He was misused here, period.

It was a horrible pick, however, this was classic throw out the baby with the bath.

P.S. The nonsense about "worst ever pick" is hilarious. Not even close to top 5. All the ones listed above FAR worse picks, and 3 of the worst 5 of all time arent even listed - Darrin fn Nelson when could have had Marcus Allen, Alexander when could have had Warren Sapp and oh, by the way, a little something called Christian Fn Ponder!

[Oriole81]

Looks like Patterson is very adept at getting more.

Why preface with the "grown" man part?
what stuff was into when he was younger?

[hategreenticemase]

Maybe some of you morons will get it now??? Or is the best coach of all time and our current coach both morons also???





Maybe it shouldn’t come as a surprise that New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick has found a way to unlock the potential of enigmatic Cordarrelle Patterson.

You could see it coming in mid-March, when Belichick flipped a fifth-round pick to the Oakland Raiders in exchange for Patterson. Widely regarded the best NFL coach of all time after winning five Super Bowls in New England, Belichick clearly saw something in Patterson, a first-round draft pick who had made a name as a kick returner and nothing else.

The Vikings struggled to get Patterson, a receiver from Tennessee, involved in their offense in parts of four seasons after taking him with first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft. But the Patriots have found a way to tailor parts of their offense to his strengths.

“Quite honestly, they’re using him way better than we did,” Vikings coach Mike Zimmer said. “He’s a great athlete and a very, very strong runner. I think they use him in a number of different ways. I mean, it’s good to see for him. I wish we would have used him a little bit better.”

It’s not uncommon to see Patterson, 27, take snaps out of the backfield, line up in the slot and split out wide, sometimes in the same possession.
“He has the ability to do all of those things: to run, to catch, to have the vision and athleticism to run the ball in space, and have the size and power to be able to get a tough yard and run through tackles when he needs to do that,” Belichick said this week. “He has good hands. He’s excellent with the ball in his hands. He really knows how to set up blocks and how to break tackles and how to gain yards. He’s extremely talented at doing that.”

With five games left in the regular season, Patterson already has set a career-high with 37 carries for 156 yards and a touchdown, as he’s being used as an actual downhill runner between the tackles rather than simply as a gadget on the outside. He also has caught 13 passes for 120 yards and a pair of touchdowns.

“We didn’t get him the ball enough maybe in a lot of those ways that they’re using him,” Zimmer said. “Honestly, since I’ve been watching him on tape, I’m going to put that in the back of my mind if we ever get a guy like this again, or a guy like that again, that we can use him in much better ways.”

The Vikings’ failure to get Patterson going has always been a little confusing. As their kick returner, he scored five touchdowns and averaged 30.4 yards a return in four seasons, but they didn’t get him the ball much as a receiver or runner.

As a receiver, he averaged 20.6 yards a game and scored seven touchdowns in four seasons. He finished his Vikings tenure with 31 rushes, even though he averaged 10.2 yards a carry.

Zimmer emphasized that the Vikings had Adrian Peterson during Patterson’s four seasons in Minnesota, but in two of those seasons, Peterson played a combined four games because of suspensions and injuries.

“We tinkered around with (Patterson),” Zimmer said. “I still think there we could have used him more in some of those kinds of ways.”



https://www.twincities.com/2018/11/28/p ... patterson/

[minnemike]

Im looking at his stats with the Pats and they arent even good. He has way less receiving yardage than he got with MN on average. He does have 150 rushing yards so far, but most of that was with Michel out with injury. The numbers are still pretty lame if not worse as far as efficiency.

Whoever started this thread is an idiot.

This was knee jerk after Pats had to use him with all the injuries against a poor Packers D.

He's done virtually nothing all year.

True, but Bill picks these guys up with tremendous physical abilities because your team has to gameplan for him. Any given week if the defense gives them a look that is favorable they will feed Patterson again. Gronk, White, Edelman, Gordon, Patterson, Hogan, Dorsett, Allen, Michel, and now Burkhead is back. Not all are flashy but all have plays and their roles in the system and Bill and Tom make sure each is honored or if you give them a look they like each can punish you.

You could say the exact same thing about when he was with the Vikes and their usage... oh, they had to scheme for him which opened everything else up. So, I wouldnt really value that piece. There are a million guys with abilities who just arent quite good enough to become great players. Let's just keep this thread on track and admit that CP is gifted and just not very good otherwise.... no matter the team. IF you want to say Brady is better at using all his players than most any other QB, then that is a great argument.

[minnemike]

Maybe some of you morons will get it now??? Or is the best coach of all time and our current coach both morons also???





Maybe it shouldn’t come as a surprise that New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick has found a way to unlock the potential of enigmatic Cordarrelle Patterson.

You could see it coming in mid-March, when Belichick flipped a fifth-round pick to the Oakland Raiders in exchange for Patterson. Widely regarded the best NFL coach of all time after winning five Super Bowls in New England, Belichick clearly saw something in Patterson, a first-round draft pick who had made a name as a kick returner and nothing else.

The Vikings struggled to get Patterson, a receiver from Tennessee, involved in their offense in parts of four seasons after taking him with first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft. But the Patriots have found a way to tailor parts of their offense to his strengths.

“Quite honestly, they’re using him way better than we did,” Vikings coach Mike Zimmer said. “He’s a great athlete and a very, very strong runner. I think they use him in a number of different ways. I mean, it’s good to see for him. I wish we would have used him a little bit better.”

It’s not uncommon to see Patterson, 27, take snaps out of the backfield, line up in the slot and split out wide, sometimes in the same possession.
“He has the ability to do all of those things: to run, to catch, to have the vision and athleticism to run the ball in space, and have the size and power to be able to get a tough yard and run through tackles when he needs to do that,” Belichick said this week. “He has good hands. He’s excellent with the ball in his hands. He really knows how to set up blocks and how to break tackles and how to gain yards. He’s extremely talented at doing that.”

With five games left in the regular season, Patterson already has set a career-high with 37 carries for 156 yards and a touchdown, as he’s being used as an actual downhill runner between the tackles rather than simply as a gadget on the outside. He also has caught 13 passes for 120 yards and a pair of touchdowns.

“We didn’t get him the ball enough maybe in a lot of those ways that they’re using him,” Zimmer said. “Honestly, since I’ve been watching him on tape, I’m going to put that in the back of my mind if we ever get a guy like this again, or a guy like that again, that we can use him in much better ways.”

The Vikings’ failure to get Patterson going has always been a little confusing. As their kick returner, he scored five touchdowns and averaged 30.4 yards a return in four seasons, but they didn’t get him the ball much as a receiver or runner.

As a receiver, he averaged 20.6 yards a game and scored seven touchdowns in four seasons. He finished his Vikings tenure with 31 rushes, even though he averaged 10.2 yards a carry.

Zimmer emphasized that the Vikings had Adrian Peterson during Patterson’s four seasons in Minnesota, but in two of those seasons, Peterson played a combined four games because of suspensions and injuries.

“We tinkered around with (Patterson),” Zimmer said. “I still think there we could have used him more in some of those kinds of ways.”



https://www.twincities.com/2018/11/28/p ... patterson/

You calling the entire discussion settled on some article from a guy named Dane Mazuno? LOL

DId anyone consider that CP is now an experienced vet and definitely should be better now than he was when Zim tinkered with him? He is probably better, but just barely, and his value is down overall due to kickoff rule changes.

[hategreenticemase]

This was knee jerk after Pats had to use him with all the injuries against a poor Packers D.

He's done virtually nothing all year.

True, but Bill picks these guys up with tremendous physical abilities because your team has to gameplan for him. Any given week if the defense gives them a look that is favorable they will feed Patterson again. Gronk, White, Edelman, Gordon, Patterson, Hogan, Dorsett, Allen, Michel, and now Burkhead is back. Not all are flashy but all have plays and their roles in the system and Bill and Tom make sure each is honored or if you give them a look they like each can punish you.

You could say the exact same thing about when he was with the Vikes and their usage... oh, they had to scheme for him which opened everything else up. So, I wouldnt really value that piece. There are a million guys with abilities who just arent quite good enough to become great players. Let's just keep this thread on track and admit that CP is gifted and just not very good otherwise.... no matter the team. IF you want to say Brady is better at using all his players than most any other QB, then that is a great argument.

What part of they didn't use him dont you get???

We used him well pre norv. But then Norv comes in expected he could develop him into a conventional receiver. He was frustrated - and rightfully so - that the guy was a fucking moron who couldnt learn basic wr nuances. Didn't like his attitude about it either and neither did Zim. All valid points and being old school myself I get that aspect. But during all that my Mom kepr ringining my head - don't cut your nose off to spite your face.

My point back then (and now) was it didn't matter the price we paid to get him. Didn't matter he will NEVER be a legit top WR. But what did matter is, he had some value we could glean from him and we decided it was better to be pissed at what he wasn't and move on because he wasn't easy to coach, than to leverage some value from a dynamic and very good ball carrying weapon.