2018 Froob All-Time NFL Draft - Norn_Iron is on the clock!

[Ash Ketchum]

I agree.

It should not tarnish the legacy of the old timers; they were still among the very best athletic humans in the world at that time, and I mean, it’s not like they weren’t fast, quick and strong. I don’t mean to paint them as bad athletically.

But with how big sports have become in terms of an industry in modern times, how popular sports have become among fans, all the medical advances, advances in training facilities, expanded knowledge and dependence on nutrition and supplements, advances in coaching concepts, etc., today’s players are simply much more athletic in general.

I think the biggest difference is just how many people are athletic in today’s world compared to the 1950’s. Back then, people who trained to be athletic had a better chance to actually go on to use that athleticism in the world of pro sports. Today, your Average Joe can stop by the local Snap Fitness and turn him or herself into an athlete to varying degrees.

There’s still limited roster spots on professional teams, but the pool of athletic humans to fill those spots is VASTLY greater than 50-60 years ago. And so, the humans who end up being NFL players end up being the very elite of the elite athletically and technically. Instead of the 4.7 guy at 185 pounds in 1950 being in the top .01% of athletes, that same guy wouldn’t stand out today with all the 4.4 guys at 220 or the 4.8 300 pounders that exist now.

For example, Frank Gifford went to Pro Bowls in the early 60’s as a RB, a DB and a WR in separate seasons. That would and could never happen today.

Now, obviously sheer athleticism isn’t the only thing that makes NFL players great at what they do, but with certain situations and positions, it’s simple physics.

No matter how gutty and tenacious and technically sound a guy like CB Dick LeBeau was in his prime, Julio Jones or Calvin Johnson would destroy him on 10/10 plays. That’s no disrespect to LeBeau, it’s just the simple truth.

I think some of the historically great MLB (Nitschke, Butkus, etc.) could absolutely hang in the run game because they were good sized, but any of the modern RBs or TEs would just breeze by them as receivers.

For the purposes of this whole Madden thing, though, I’m not penalizing players for the era they were in. Undersized guys from the past won’t have crazy low strength ratings, and speed will be kept relatively fair regardless of the era.

Their actual measurables (height and weight) don’t matter in Madden. You could create a 5’6” 155 pound LT and if his strength and blocking ratings are equal to a 6’8’ 325 pound guy, they will seem like equal players during Madden gameplay.

It’s nice because I can compensate a bit with more cerebral attributes like awareness and play recognition on Madden, so the old timers have actual things they can be rated more highly at than their faster, stronger modern day counterparts.

Wait....are you creating all these players?

All that aren’t current players in Madden already, yes.

[Tony Bongwater]

I agree.

It should not tarnish the legacy of the old timers; they were still among the very best athletic humans in the world at that time, and I mean, it’s not like they weren’t fast, quick and strong. I don’t mean to paint them as bad athletically.

But with how big sports have become in terms of an industry in modern times, how popular sports have become among fans, all the medical advances, advances in training facilities, expanded knowledge and dependence on nutrition and supplements, advances in coaching concepts, etc., today’s players are simply much more athletic in general.

I think the biggest difference is just how many people are athletic in today’s world compared to the 1950’s. Back then, people who trained to be athletic had a better chance to actually go on to use that athleticism in the world of pro sports. Today, your Average Joe can stop by the local Snap Fitness and turn him or herself into an athlete to varying degrees.

There’s still limited roster spots on professional teams, but the pool of athletic humans to fill those spots is VASTLY greater than 50-60 years ago. And so, the humans who end up being NFL players end up being the very elite of the elite athletically and technically. Instead of the 4.7 guy at 185 pounds in 1950 being in the top .01% of athletes, that same guy wouldn’t stand out today with all the 4.4 guys at 220 or the 4.8 300 pounders that exist now.

For example, Frank Gifford went to Pro Bowls in the early 60’s as a RB, a DB and a WR in separate seasons. That would and could never happen today.

Now, obviously sheer athleticism isn’t the only thing that makes NFL players great at what they do, but with certain situations and positions, it’s simple physics.

No matter how gutty and tenacious and technically sound a guy like CB Dick LeBeau was in his prime, Julio Jones or Calvin Johnson would destroy him on 10/10 plays. That’s no disrespect to LeBeau, it’s just the simple truth.

I think some of the historically great MLB (Nitschke, Butkus, etc.) could absolutely hang in the run game because they were good sized, but any of the modern RBs or TEs would just breeze by them as receivers.

For the purposes of this whole Madden thing, though, I’m not penalizing players for the era they were in. Undersized guys from the past won’t have crazy low strength ratings, and speed will be kept relatively fair regardless of the era.

Their actual measurables (height and weight) don’t matter in Madden. You could create a 5’6” 155 pound LT and if his strength and blocking ratings are equal to a 6’8’ 325 pound guy, they will seem like equal players during Madden gameplay.

It’s nice because I can compensate a bit with more cerebral attributes like awareness and play recognition on Madden, so the old timers have actual things they can be rated more highly at than their faster, stronger modern day counterparts.

Wait....are you creating all these players?

All that aren’t current players in Madden already, yes.

[DuffMan]

I'll go with Troy Vincent and Kris Jenkins here.


1. DE Reggie White
2. OLB Derrick Thomas
3. QB Drew Brees
4. CB Mel Blount
5. DE Carl Eller
6. OT Orlando Pace
7. RB Earl Campbell
8. DT Bob Lily
9. LB Zach Thomas
10. WR Andre Reed
11. OT Tony Boseli
12. OG Marshal Yanda
13. WR Hines Ward
14. CB Troy Vincent
15. DT Kris Jenkins

[mglviks]

C Maurkice Pouncey

6 pro bowls in 7 years(injuried played 1 game year he didnt)
4 All pros

Will make it again this year. And a few more after that likely. Best pivot in the game. Already accolades to put him near the top all time.

OT Chris Samuels

6 probowls and prolific in both pass pro and run block.
Solidify my line a bit here.

Aaron Rodgers
Curtis Martin
Andre Johnson
Torry Holt
Maurkice Pouncey
Richmond Webb
Chris Samuels

Leslie ONeil
Vince Wilfork
Lawrence Taylor
Jack Lambert
Kevin Greene
Mike Haynes
Patrick Peterson
Joey Browner

[Ash Ketchum]

Samuels was my guy here. Nice snipe.

I’ll go with:



OT Willie Anderson

- 12-year career
- 4x Pro Bowl
- 3x All Pro First Team


And...



TE Greg Olsen

- 3x Pro Bowl
- 2x All Pro
- Only TE to have 3 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons


WR Moss
DT Sapp
DE Strahan
CB Green
RB Tomlinson
MLB Kuechly
WR Jones
QB Cunningham
SS Taylor
CB Barber
FS Thomas
DE Suggs
OG Wisniewski
OT Anderson
TE Olsen

[DuffMan]

Bob Sanders and Albert Lewis are the picks here. I probably shouldn't have waited so long for a corner on this team, but Lewis was great and could have gone much earlier.

Bob is one of my all time favorites. Undersized for sure but it didn't affect his impact on the field.

QB Tom Brady
RB Emmitt Smith
LB Junior Seau
DE Howie Long
DT Aaron Donald
OG John Hannah
WR Steve Largent
DT Richard Seymour
WR Antonio Brown
S Leroy Butler
LB Joey Porter
TE Ben Coates
DE Neil Smith
CB Albert Lewis
S Bob Sanders

[mglviks]

Lewis was great. I had him as a target early on looking forward.

Sux that injuries robbed Bob. Very short career.
He was spectacular when he played hense dpoy even without metric stats.

[mglviks]

Spoiler:

JERRY FUCKING RICE BABY

Youre up!

[BBG]

opps... forgot to refresh the page

let's try this again



BBG Takes, Center Jeff Van Note



QB Dan Fouts
WR James Lofton
WR Jerry Rice
RB Eric Dickerson
OT Art Shell
C Jeff Van Note
OG Mike Munchak
TE Tony Gonzalez


DE Charles Haley
DL JJ Watt
DE John Abraham
CB Ty Law
CB Asante Samuuel
LB Hardy Nickerson

[mglviks]

BBG Takes, Center Kevin Mawae



QB Dan Fouts
WR James Lofton
WR Jerry Rice
RB Eric Dickerson
OT Art Shell
C Kevin Mawae
OG Mike Munchak
TE Tony Gonzalez


DE Charles Haley
DL JJ Watt
DE John Abraham
CB Ty Law
CB Asante Samuuel
LB Hardy Nickerson

Taken

[Ash Ketchum]

BBG Takes, Center Kevin Mawae



QB Dan Fouts
WR James Lofton
WR Jerry Rice
RB Eric Dickerson
OT Art Shell
C Kevin Mawae
OG Mike Munchak
TE Tony Gonzalez


DE Charles Haley
DL JJ Watt
DE John Abraham
CB Ty Law
CB Asante Samuuel
LB Hardy Nickerson

I took Mawae last round.

[mglviks]

Almost all here.

Bbg up for 4.
Duffman
Ash
Me

[BBG]

[BBG]

opps... forgot to refresh the page

let's try this again



BBG Takes, Center Jeff Van Note



QB Dan Fouts
WR James Lofton
WR Jerry Rice
RB Eric Dickerson
OT Art Shell
C Jeff Van Note
OG Mike Munchak
TE Tony Gonzalez


DE Charles Haley
DL JJ Watt
DE John Abraham
CB Ty Law
CB Asante Samuuel
LB Hardy Nickerson

[BBG]

[bombers3shooter]

OG Will Shields




QB Dan Fouts
WR James Lofton
WR Jerry Rice
RB Eric Dickerson
OT Art Shell
OG Will Shields
C Jeff Van Note
OG Mike Munchak
TE Tony Gonzalez


DE Charles Haley
DL JJ Watt
DE John Abraham
CB Ty Law
CB Asante Samuuel
LB Hardy Nickerson

Will went many rounds ago.

[BBG]

Bill Romanowski




QB Dan Fouts
WR James Lofton
WR Jerry Rice
RB Eric Dickerson
OT Art Shell
C Jeff Van Note
OG Mike Munchak
TE Tony Gonzalez


DE Charles Haley
DL JJ Watt
DE John Abraham
CB Ty Law
CB Asante Samuuel
LB Hardy Nickerson
LB Bill Romanowski

[BBG]

Safety Eugene Robinson




QB Dan Fouts
WR James Lofton
WR Jerry Rice
RB Eric Dickerson
OT Art Shell
C Jeff Van Note
OG Mike Munchak
TE Tony Gonzalez


DE Charles Haley
DL JJ Watt
DE John Abraham
CB Ty Law
CB Asante Samuuel
LB Hardy Nickerson
LB Bill Romanowski
FS Eugene Robinson

[BBG]

Tackle, Bruce Armstrong



QB Dan Fouts
WR James Lofton
WR Jerry Rice
RB Eric Dickerson
OT Art Shell
C Jeff Van Note
OG Mike Munchak
OT Bruce Armstrong
TE Tony Gonzalez


DE Charles Haley
DL JJ Watt
DE John Abraham
LB Hardy Nickerson
LB Bill Romanowski
CB Ty Law
CB Asante Samuuel
FS Eugene Robinson

[BBG]

Sorry for the muff, guys.

It was all worth it for the privledge of drafting Jeff Van Note.

[mglviks]

I was down to Samuels or Bruce Armstrong for my pick.

Nice choice!

[BBG]

I was down to Samuels or Bruce Armstrong for my pick.

Nice choice!

Any words on Van Note?

[mglviks]

I was down to Samuels or Bruce Armstrong for my pick.

Nice choice!

Any words on Van Note?

Dug that one up.
Leagues grandpa.
Kinda a shock he ever retired.

[Ash Ketchum]

Hope we can get through some picks this weekend.

[BBG]

I was down to Samuels or Bruce Armstrong for my pick.

Nice choice!

Any words on Van Note?

Dug that one up.
Leagues grandpa.
Kinda a shock he ever retired.

17 seasons
6 pro bowls
247 pound center

[Ash Ketchum]

I’d like to poll everyone to see if people support or are against the “no skips on weekends” rule.

[Tony Bongwater]

I’d like to poll everyone to see if people support or are against the “no skips on weekends” rule.

Against. This isnt 1998 where you only have internet access in the office. We all have smartphones. Takes no time to check once a day, and there aren't so many of us that we dont know if we'll be coming up or not. If you're hemmed up just drop names and expand later.

Jmho.

[RubeTube]

I agree. No reason people can't check. Seems like its the same few offenders always holding it up too.

[bombers3shooter]

I agree. No reason people can't check. Seems like its the same few offenders always holding it up too.

The ends of the snake should really be about the most efficient part of the draft for the most part. Really hasn't been the case here.

[mglviks]

Agree with the rest.

Skips any day of the week. Do think a rule should only go forward. Not applying to this weekend but valid next.