Vikings trade for PFF star center Brett Jones

[Stu Pedaso]

F*cking back door Shurmur deal. Giants fans have every right to be a little suspicious.



Thanks Pat!!

[hategreenticemase]

Won't matter 8-8 roughly.

1. Aaron Rodgers

Huge Gap

2. Matthew Stafford
3. Mitch Trubisky
4. Kirk Cousins

You are terrible at this. Just one load your mama shoulda swallowed.

Hey flying 4thbestoverallviking,

Actually Clark is quite good at it. He stirred up nitwits like no one else could back in the day. Sad part is about 10 years ago he was actually a good poster pre-bit.

[Tommy_Hawk]

Madden rating = 67

Good Lookin' out, Homie

[Tommy_Hawk]

Will Jones be playing in this week 4 game? Any word on that? How long for a professional O-Lineman to get integrated into a new system?

[Offsides 97 defense]

Won't matter 8-8 roughly.

1. Aaron Rodgers

Huge Gap

2. Matthew Stafford
3. Mitch Trubisky
4. Kirk Cousins

You are terrible at this. Just one load your mama shoulda swallowed.

Hey flying 4thbestoverallviking,

Actually Clark is quite good at it. He stirred up nitwits like no one else could back in the day. Sad part is about 10 years ago he was actually a good poster pre-bit.

I've been a part of Rube Chat since 03. And I don't ever remember Clark being good at anything sans getting boxed.

[Bleeds Purple]

Was this the trade PA was alluding to in the "Tradewinds Swirling" thread or is something more alluring/exciting waiting in the weeds for Vikings fans?

http://forum.mnrubecentral.com/viewtopi ... 11&t=11766

[Face The Facts]

If he starts 5 games he's worth the 7th rounder.
Anytime you get a player who starts more than a couple games, you're money ahead on a 7th rounder on average.

[Qman65]

Let's get excited about a center who has done what?

[twgerber]

He started last year for the Giants and did decent from what I am reading. Maybe he remains at Center and Pat moves to LG when he comes back? I think Pat might be more suited to LG than this guy.

[Stu Pedaso]

He started last year for the Giants and did decent from what I am reading. Maybe he remains at Center and Pat moves to LG when he comes back? I think Pat might be more suited to LG than this guy.

Thank-you coach gerber for your insightful breakdown of this situation. Hopefully someone can get your analysis to the Vikings coaching staff right away so they don't waste any more time with Elflein at center.

Good call.

[PurpleFloyd]

Nick Olson
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Brett Jones was Pro Football Focus' 17th-ranked center in 2017. He ranked 5th in pass protection among starting centers but 21st in run blocking. He ranked 4th in pass blocking efficiency and third in pressures allowed among starting centers.

That doesn't bother me in the least.

Top 5 in pass pro...middle of the pack in run block?

He had terrible running backs last year which can hurt the rankings. Having our guys behind any OL can make them look better.

[hategreenticemase]

You are terrible at this. Just one load your mama shoulda swallowed.

Hey flying 4thbestoverallviking,

Actually Clark is quite good at it. He stirred up nitwits like no one else could back in the day. Sad part is about 10 years ago he was actually a good poster pre-bit.

I've been a part of Rube Chat since 03. And I don't ever remember Clark being good at anything sans getting boxed.

I'm a "give credit where credit is due" guy, so yes, have to give Clark his due - no one riles up the dummies as consistently and as easily as Clark. Plus the difference between Clark the other bits like DH, was Clark at least was sometimes entertaining and funny. The guy took pride in being the best bit at RC, at least as proud as a middle aged man whose primary function is pretending on the internets to piss off people he doesn't know, can be.

[twgerber]

He started last year for the Giants and did decent from what I am reading. Maybe he remains at Center and Pat moves to LG when he comes back? I think Pat might be more suited to LG than this guy.

Thank-you coach gerber for your insightful breakdown of this situation. Hopefully someone can get your analysis to the Vikings coaching staff right away so they don't waste any more time with Elflein at center.

Good call.

Analysis? Something you clearly don't understand. It was a question but of course you couldn't understand the ? symbol.

[Stu Pedaso]

I think Pat might be more suited to LG than this guy.

There was no question mark here. Your analysis is that Elflein should move to LG and Jones should be our new center.

I mean isn't that what you just said?

[Da Gas Man]

I think Pat might be more suited to LG than this guy.

There was no question mark here. Your analysis is that Elflein should move to LG and Jones should be our new center.

I mean isn't that what you just said?

I shouldn't get involved but anyway...... suggesting that Elflein would make a better LG than Jones is not suggesting that Elflein should move to LG. It is suggesting that if you don't have a LG and need to play both Jones and Elf at LG and Center - and that is your only option - you would be better suited with Elf at LG and Jones at Center than the other way around. Elf could be a far better Center than Jones and still Elf could be better suited for LG than Jones. They are not mutually exclusive.

[twgerber]

He started last year for the Giants and did decent from what I am reading. Maybe he remains at Center and Pat moves to LG when he comes back? I think Pat might be more suited to LG than this guy.

Thank-you coach gerber for your insightful breakdown of this situation. Hopefully someone can get your analysis to the Vikings coaching staff right away so they don't waste any more time with Elflein at center.

Good call.

You quoted the post above and it's a - I have highlighted it for you.

[twgerber]

I think Pat might be more suited to LG than this guy.

There was no question mark here. Your analysis is that Elflein should move to LG and Jones should be our new center.

I mean isn't that what you just said?

See the sentence before your convenient editing of my complete post.

[twgerber]

I think Pat might be more suited to LG than this guy.

There was no question mark here. Your analysis is that Elflein should move to LG and Jones should be our new center.

I mean isn't that what you just said?

I shouldn't get involved but anyway...... suggesting that Elflein would make a better LG than Jones is not suggesting that Elflein should move to LG. It is suggesting that if you don't have a LG and need to play both Jones and Elf at LG and Center - and that is your only option - you would be better suited with Elf at LG and Jones at Center than the other way around. Elf could be a far better Center than Jones and still Elf could be better suited for LG than Jones. They are not mutually exclusive.

Thank you for correctly understanding what I was getting after. I may not have phrased it well. Not sure why I deserved someone's smart arse reply for it though.

[Stu Pedaso]

I think Pat might be more suited to LG than this guy.

There was no question mark here. Your analysis is that Elflein should move to LG and Jones should be our new center.

I mean isn't that what you just said?

I shouldn't get involved but anyway...... suggesting that Elflein would make a better LG than Jones is not suggesting that Elflein should move to LG. It is suggesting that if you don't have a LG and need to play both Jones and Elf at LG and Center - and that is your only option - you would be better suited with Elf at LG and Jones at Center than the other way around. Elf could be a far better Center than Jones and still Elf could be better suited for LG than Jones. They are not mutually exclusive.

If Pat is clearly the better player wouldn't it stand to reason he would be a better guard and center since they can play both positions?

And yes, he did suggest Brett would push Pat to guard. A conclusion he came to despite never knowing the guys name before yesterday, not having followed his career or watched any tape.

He based this off a few articles even though Brett only started because of an injury to the starter
And when the starter left in free agency, not only did Brett not win the job, but he wasn't even going to make the team.

But, now he should replace Pat as our starting center.

So the both of you see LG as more important than Center in our offense? SQ.

[Deep Purple]

The Vikings need to buy Pat Sherman a steak dinner for basically giving us a quality offensive lineman who could very well be better than Easton. Pat you the man!

[Stu Pedaso]

The Vikings need to buy Pat Sherman a steak dinner for basically giving us a quality offensive lineman who could very well be better than Easton. Pat you the man!

Agreed. I like the move. Great depth and he might even start at guard later in the season.

[twgerber]

There was no question mark here. Your analysis is that Elflein should move to LG and Jones should be our new center.

I mean isn't that what you just said?

I shouldn't get involved but anyway...... suggesting that Elflein would make a better LG than Jones is not suggesting that Elflein should move to LG. It is suggesting that if you don't have a LG and need to play both Jones and Elf at LG and Center - and that is your only option - you would be better suited with Elf at LG and Jones at Center than the other way around. Elf could be a far better Center than Jones and still Elf could be better suited for LG than Jones. They are not mutually exclusive.

If Pat is clearly the better player wouldn't it stand to reason he would be a better guard and center since they can play both positions?

And yes, he did suggest Brett would push Pat to guard. A conclusion he came to despite never knowing the guys name before yesterday, not having followed his career or watched any tape.

He based this off a few articles even though Brett only started because of an injury to the starter
And when the starter left in free agency, not only did Brett not win the job, but he wasn't even going to make the team.

But, now he should replace Pat as our starting center.

So the both of you see LG as more important than Center in our offense? SQ.

I suggested that it's something the coaches might consider. I have no idea if it would be a good idea or not. Wasn't trying to present it that way. My bad.

I just mentioned it as an idea as I am under the impression Pat has played more guard than the new guy has. And the new guy was competing for the Giants starting job but was let go for salary cap help it seems like from the NY articles.

If he can play center adequately and Pat can play LG better than anyone else can why not see if it might work?

[Da Gas Man]

The Vikings need to buy Pat Sherman a steak dinner for basically giving us a quality offensive lineman who could very well be better than Easton. Pat you the man!

Agreed. I like the move. Great depth and he might even start at guard later in the season.

I hope he starts at guard now - not because I think Jones is a great guard but I am really against Compton.

[Stu Pedaso]

Because LG is your least valuable position and Pat was drafted to be your ten year starter at center.

That's why.


(Edit - response to gerber)

[twgerber]

Because LG is your least valuable position and Pat was drafted to be your ten year starter at center.

That's why.

ok. Just an idea.

[HeHateMe]

They needed to do something.. I'm slightly surprised it wasn't bringing in a veteran guy but I'm guessing they were so disappointed in Edison they needed another center ASAP.

[salamander]

Madden rating = 67

Only 62 awareness, PBK and RBK too. Yikes!

[Oriole81]

They needed to do something.. I'm slightly surprised it wasn't bringing in a veteran guy but I'm guessing they were so disappointed in Edison they needed another center ASAP.

I'm sure this won't be the only move. They'll look at roster cuts this weekend too, but if this was a guy they actually liked, it's worth making the move now and giving up a low value asset to ensure you don't get sniped on waiver priority.

They can still sign or claim guys that get waived this weekend.

[Hector]

Was this the trade PA was alluding to in the "Tradewinds Swirling" thread or is something more alluring/exciting waiting in the weeds for Vikings fans?

http://forum.mnrubecentral.com/viewtopi ... 11&t=11766

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Lol....no idea

[Thrillkill]

Nick Olson
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Brett Jones was Pro Football Focus' 17th-ranked center in 2017. He ranked 5th in pass protection among starting centers but 21st in run blocking. He ranked 4th in pass blocking efficiency and third in pressures allowed among starting centers.

That doesn't bother me in the least.

Top 5 in pass pro...middle of the pack in run block?

He had terrible running backs last year which can hurt the rankings. Having our guys behind any OL can make them look better.

That's what I was thinking. They didn't draft a top 5 running back because they were good. 7th rounder for a serviceable backup is good value. For a legit starter is Stealman level good.